Smalltalk › Frameworks & Tools › Seaside › Seaside Development

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

_‹ Previous Topic Next Topic _›

Classic

List

Threaded

7 messages Options

Julian Fitzell-2

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

Hey Lukas,

So far, this version feels less welcoming to me. I'm not saying it
can't work (it sounds like you intend to do more on it) but the layout
currently feels colder and I find it "disorienting" somehow, maybe
because the regions aren't well defined and all the links are sort of
different and going "back" is different in each case. I don't get any
sense of "where I am" and the layout doesn't tell me, at a quick
glance, what I should click on first. And I have to scroll both
horizontally and vertically.

Unless you object, I'm inclined to include version 6 in the RC for now
until this concept gets further developed...

Julian

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:43 PM,
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Lukas Renggli uploaded a new version of Seaside-Welcome to project Seaside 3.0:
> http://www.squeaksource.com/Seaside30/Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz
>
> ==================== Summary ====================
>
> Name: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7
> Author: lr
> Time: 13 June 2010, 5:43:45 pm
> UUID: 0c26b2d7-9e25-4f8f-9e5a-2bdbbc6405fc
> Ancestors: Seaside-Welcome-jf.6
>
> - trying to steamline and simplify the welcome screen (no examples for now)

_______________________________________________
seaside-dev mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev

Lukas Renggli

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

> So far, this version feels less welcoming to me. I'm not saying it
> can't work (it sounds like you intend to do more on it) but the layout
> currently feels colder and I find it "disorienting" somehow, maybe
> because the regions aren't well defined and all the links are sort of
> different and going "back" is different in each case. I don't get any
> sense of "where I am" and the layout doesn't tell me, at a quick
> glance, what I should click on first. And I have to scroll both
> horizontally and vertically.
>
> Unless you object, I'm inclined to include version 6 in the RC for now
> until this concept gets further developed...

I think the new version it is a significant improvement. Just compare
it with the Rails or Django welcome screens. I find the previous
version look very oldish with the large amount of messy contents, the
boxes, the bars and the tiny fonts.

I agree that the configuration interface is kind of ugly. Also, I
doubt that any newbie will be able to understand without further help
what 'Error Walkbacks' or 'Server URL' (I don't even understand it
myself) means exactly. I think it is kind of pointless at the moment,
unless further explanations are added.

Lukas
_______________________________________________
seaside-dev mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev

Nick

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

I think the new version it is a significant improvement. Just compare
it with the Rails or Django welcome screens. I find the previous
version look very oldish with the large amount of messy contents, the
boxes, the bars and the tiny fonts.

My 2c. Despite having a stake in the original version, I much prefer Lukas's version.

_______________________________________________
seaside-dev mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev

Julian Fitzell-2

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Nick Ager <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I think the new version it is a significant improvement. Just compare
>> it with the Rails or Django welcome screens. I find the previous
>> version look very oldish with the large amount of messy contents, the
>> boxes, the bars and the tiny fonts.
>
> My 2c. Despite having a stake in the original version, I much prefer Lukas's
> version.

Hrm... well, I'm not sure how to proceed then. My brain don't seem to
know where to look on the new version. I get a sort of mini-panic
feeling and my mind tries to focus on something else instead of
solving the problem. Maybe something as simple as a stylized "1" and
"2" to indicate you should look at the two sections in order might
help. Maybe we should put it up on http://fivesecondtest.com/

Could we try a smaller font and a shorter header at least as a start?
Currently I can only see about half the content without scrolling. It
seems like "Seaside" is way more important than the content and that
doesn't seem right to me. This isn't just confirmation that it's
working but guidance towards next steps. And is having marked-out
regions old-fashioned? I feel like the page lacks shape.

What do you think makes this one work better then, Nick?

Julian
_______________________________________________
seaside-dev mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev

Nick

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

What do you think makes this one work better then, Nick?

Perhaps the difference is the scrolling. When I look at on my laptop I can see the complete introductory page. It seems logical that "New to Seaside" is where you start followed by the "Next Steps" links.

However looking at it at a lower resolution I can see that if you have to scroll, it's less clear what do to. What resolution are you using? Is there a general consensus that page layouts should work at a minimum of xxx resolution?

It would be a shame to remove too much white space as I think that gives it a "less is more" clean look.

However, I'm not sure about "Welcome at the Seaside". Wouldn't "Welcome to Seaside" read more easily? Also it's a shame to loose the examples with the explanation; though I realise my syntax highlighted Seaside code, would probably be enough to put most people off using Seaside HTML syntax.

Hope this helps

Nick

_______________________________________________
seaside-dev mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev

Julian Fitzell-2

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

I'm using the standard MacBook Pro 17 resolution. My window is not
full width but is more or less full height.

You didn't indicate what parts of this version you think work well...

Julian

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Nick Ager <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> What do you think makes this one work better then, Nick?
>>
> Perhaps the difference is the scrolling. When I look at on my laptop I can
> see the complete introductory page. It seems logical that "New to Seaside"
> is where you start followed by the "Next Steps" links.
> However looking at it at a lower resolution I can see that if you have to
> scroll, it's less clear what do to. What resolution are you using? Is there
> a general consensus that page layouts should work at a minimum of xxx
> resolution?
> It would be a shame to remove too much white space as I think that gives it
> a "less is more" clean look.
> However, I'm not sure about "Welcome at the Seaside". Wouldn't "Welcome to
> Seaside" read more easily? Also it's a shame to loose the examples with the
> explanation; though I realise my syntax highlighted Seaside code, would
> probably be enough to put most people off using Seaside HTML syntax.
> Hope this helps
> Nick
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> seaside-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev
>
>

_______________________________________________
seaside-dev mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev

Nick

Re: [Seaside Commits] Seaside 3.0: Seaside-Welcome-lr.7.mcz

On 14 June 2010 16:25, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm using the standard MacBook Pro 17 resolution. My window is not
full width but is more or less full height.

You didn't indicate what parts of this version you think work well...

Julian

I think the design of Lukas's version is more polished than the original we created. Even though it's less functional, to my eyes, it looks more impressive.

_______________________________________________
seaside-dev mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev