Re: Seaside and HTML templates

No, and really any designer worth his/her pay shouldn't be telling you CSS is too complicated :)

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Hi list,

I have a question with seaside, i want separate the development work of design work. I look than seaside use CSS, but it´s a little complicated for some designer.

Can i use html templates with Seaside? Load a html file and then replace the content of selected dummy field with app information.


Thanks
Andrés


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Hi Boris,

I think the CSS part is not what is difficult to the designer. I rather think that the difficulty is that the designer might want/need to change the structure of the webpage and he needs to do that in Seaside. That means he needs to learn how to do Smalltalk in whatever dialekt, which is probably not the easiest to do for a designer.
It's probably the best for the developer to provide html that is already well-structured so that the designer can do his magic without wanting to change the structure.

to Andrés: you can't use templates in Seaside.

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Karsten
 

Boris Popov wrote:

No, and really any designer worth his/her pay shouldn't be telling you CSS is too complicated :)

-Boris (via BlackBerry)

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Hi list,

I have a question with seaside, i want separate the development work of design work. I look than seaside use CSS, but it´s a little complicated for some designer.

Can i use html templates with Seaside? Load a html file and then replace the content of selected dummy field with app information.


Thanks
Andrés

  

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Well, to be fair - that answer isn't really going to make the person asking it happy.  You can do something like this fairly easily:
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In reality, designer is the one who needs to come up with structured html that developer will then reproduce in seaside. Here we typically start with photoshop mockups that go through a number of iterations before we settle on a decent starting point; this then gets produced in html with css and related resources. We load the latter two and toss the html samples as soon as our components render to match.

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Hi Boris,

I think the CSS part is not what is difficult to the designer. I rather think that the difficulty is that the designer might want/need to change the structure of the webpage and he needs to do that in Seaside. That means he needs to learn how to do Smalltalk in whatever dialekt, which is probably not the easiest to do for a designer.
It's probably the best for the developer to provide html that is already well-structured so that the designer can do his magic without wanting to change the structure.

to Andrés: you can't use templates in Seaside.

Kind Regards
Karsten
 

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        No, and really any designer worth his/her pay shouldn't be telling you CSS is too complicated :)
       
        -Boris (via BlackBerry)
       
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        Hi list,
       
        I have a question with seaside, i want separate the development work of design work. I look than seaside use CSS, but it´s a little complicated for some designer.
       
        Can i use html templates with Seaside? Load a html file and then replace the content of selected dummy field with app information.
       
       
        Thanks
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On 12/10/08, Boris Popov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> In reality, designer is the one who needs to come up with structured html that developer will then reproduce in seaside. Here we typically start with photoshop mockups that go through a number of iterations before we settle on a decent starting point; this then gets produced in html with css and related resources. We load the latter two and toss the html samples as soon as our components render to match.

Yes, but if designer later on wants to change something in html, he
can not do it by himself, and has to work through you, which is a way
less convinient than editing a template by himself.

But it seems that this is the price that needs to be payed if we want
to get rid of manualy creating links, populating hidden fileds and
other "fun" stuf one usually needs to do in web programming.

Davorin
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Sounds about right, you gain some, you lose some, but the whole premise
of Seaside is to maximize gain-to-loss ratio to get better products to
market faster.

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On 12/10/08, Boris Popov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> In reality, designer is the one who needs to come up with structured
html that developer will then reproduce in seaside. Here we typically
start with photoshop mockups that go through a number of iterations
before we settle on a decent starting point; this then gets produced in
html with css and related resources. We load the latter two and toss the
html samples as soon as our components render to match.

Yes, but if designer later on wants to change something in html, he can
not do it by himself, and has to work through you, which is a way less
convinient than editing a template by himself.

But it seems that this is the price that needs to be payed if we want to
get rid of manualy creating links, populating hidden fileds and other
"fun" stuf one usually needs to do in web programming.

Davorin
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