Re: Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested
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Alternatively Stef, it tells us "nothing good" about mind-share of
Smalltalks out there in the real world. The current mindshare of Pharo is on a par with Lasso. The mindshare of all Smalltalks is on a par with Julia or Objective C++ Commercial take-up is highly correlated with mindshare. At some point, we need to address the mindshare issue directly, rather than pretending it is irrelevant. One of the models of tech uptake has a path that runs: contains Development Dismissal Disappearance If we're not even visible enough to have questionnaire's reflect our approach, this is not a good sign. I don't think it necessarily reflects poorly on the questionnaire's authors. Regards, Euan Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:12:32 +0100 From: stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> > When I that behavior it tells me nothing good about the ?survey? > > > Stef > > On 25 Jan 2016, at 20:05, Steven Kelly <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Darn, too slow: >> ?This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.? >> Steve >> >> From: Esug-list [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Thomas, Arden >> Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46 >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested >> Importance: High >> >> Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers; >> >> Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language on the Stack Overflow developer survey. >> >> Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways. >> A new generation of developers may have never heard of it! >> >> I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and community, when the survey was open, so we could >> collectively address this oversight. >> >> The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! >> >> Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or want to use. >> >> I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in. >> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016 >> >> NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open for a short time and could close imminently. >> >> https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=10153340568823365 >> >> Regards >> Arden Thomas >> >> Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >> >> >> >> Arden Thomas >> Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >> >> >> CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC. >> 55 Merchant Street >> Cincinnati, OH 45246 >> >> >> >> office >> >> website >> >> 513-612-2300 >> >> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com >> [hidden email] >> >> Less is More >> >> --- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT --- >> >> This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the addressee named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. 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Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list_lists.esug.org/attachments/20160126/fd31e3bc/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:30:41 +0100 > From: Annick Fron <[hidden email]> > To: Thomas Kendelbacher <[hidden email]> > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! > -action requested > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Same here. > Annick > Le 25 janv. 2016 ? 20:17, Thomas Kendelbacher <[hidden email]> a ?crit : > >> Same here. Made it through about an hour ago, too. >> Just try again later, I guess... >> >>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 12:50, Richard Sargent <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Steven Kelly wrote >>>> Darn, too slow: >>>> >>>> "This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey >>>> for further assistance." >>>> >>>> Steve >>> >>> I was able to get through it about an hour ago. Possibly volume related? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Esug-list [mailto: >>> >>>> esug-list-bounces@.esug >>> >>>> ] On Behalf Of >>>> Thomas, Arden >>>> Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46 >>>> To: >>> >>>> esug-list@.esug >>> >>>> Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action >>>> requested >>>> Importance: High >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers; >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language >>>> on >>>> the Stack Overflow developer survey. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways. >>>> >>>> A new generation of developers may have never heard of it! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and >>>> community, when the survey was open, so we could >>>> >>>> collectively address this oversight. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or >>>> want >>>> to use. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open >>>> for a short time and could close imminently. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=1 >>>> 0153340568823365 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Arden Thomas >>>> >>>> Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Arden Thomas >>>> Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>>> >>>> <http://www.cincom.smalltalk.com/> >>>> CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC. >>>> 55 Merchant Street >>>> Cincinnati, OH 45246 >>>> >>>> <https://twitter.com/cincom> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/cincom-systems> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/user/CincomVideo> >>>> <http://www.cincom.com/blog/feed/> >>>> >>>> office >>>> >>>> website >>>> >>>> 513-612-2300 >>>> >>>> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com >>> >>>> athomas@ >>> >>>> >>>> Less is More >>>> >>>> --- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT --- >>>> >>>> This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be >>>> privileged and confidential. 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Re: Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested
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When we cannot participate to a survey because the period is too short then I’m sorry but this is a crappy survey
and I know because we run surveys. > Alternatively Stef, it tells us "nothing good" about mind-share of > Smalltalks out there in the real world. > > The current mindshare of Pharo is on a par with Lasso. The mindshare > of all Smalltalks is on a par with Julia or Objective C++ > > Commercial take-up is highly correlated with mindshare. > > At some point, we need to address the mindshare issue directly, rather > than pretending it is irrelevant. > > One of the models of tech uptake has a path that runs: contains > Development > Dismissal > Disappearance > > If we're not even visible enough to have questionnaire's reflect our > approach, this is not a good sign. I don't think it necessarily > reflects poorly on the questionnaire's authors. > > Regards, > Euan > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:12:32 +0100 > From: stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> >> When I that behavior it tells me nothing good about the ?survey? > > > > >> >> >> Stef >> >> On 25 Jan 2016, at 20:05, Steven Kelly <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Darn, too slow: >>> ?This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.? >>> Steve >>> >>> From: Esug-list [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Thomas, Arden >>> Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46 >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action requested >>> Importance: High >>> >>> Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers; >>> >>> Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language on the Stack Overflow developer survey. >>> >>> Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways. >>> A new generation of developers may have never heard of it! >>> >>> I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and community, when the survey was open, so we could >>> collectively address this oversight. >>> >>> The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! >>> >>> Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or want to use. >>> >>> I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in. >>> >>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016 >>> >>> NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open for a short time and could close imminently. >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=10153340568823365 >>> >>> Regards >>> Arden Thomas >>> >>> Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>> >>> >>> >>> Arden Thomas >>> Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>> >>> >>> CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC. >>> 55 Merchant Street >>> Cincinnati, OH 45246 >>> >>> >>> >>> office >>> >>> website >>> >>> 513-612-2300 >>> >>> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com >>> [hidden email] >>> >>> Less is More >>> >>> --- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT --- >>> >>> This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the addressee named above. 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Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list_lists.esug.org/attachments/20160126/fd31e3bc/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:30:41 +0100 >> From: Annick Fron <[hidden email]> >> To: Thomas Kendelbacher <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! >> -action requested >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Same here. >> Annick >> Le 25 janv. 2016 ? 20:17, Thomas Kendelbacher <[hidden email]> a ?crit : >> >>> Same here. Made it through about an hour ago, too. >>> Just try again later, I guess... >>> >>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 12:50, Richard Sargent <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Steven Kelly wrote >>>>> Darn, too slow: >>>>> >>>>> "This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey >>>>> for further assistance." >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>> >>>> I was able to get through it about an hour ago. Possibly volume related? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Esug-list [mailto: >>>> >>>>> esug-list-bounces@.esug >>>> >>>>> ] On Behalf Of >>>>> Thomas, Arden >>>>> Sent: 25 January 2016 19:46 >>>>> To: >>>> >>>>> esug-list@.esug >>>> >>>>> Subject: [Esug-list] Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! -action >>>>> requested >>>>> Importance: High >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Cincom Smalltalkers, Smalltalkers; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Last year at ESUG I noted that Smalltalk was not represented as a language >>>>> on >>>>> the Stack Overflow developer survey. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Smalltalk is a powerful language that is still unsurpassed in many ways. >>>>> >>>>> A new generation of developers may have never heard of it! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I made it an action item to notify Smalltalk developers, customers and >>>>> community, when the survey was open, so we could >>>>> >>>>> collectively address this oversight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Stack Overflow developer survey is now open! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Question #9 & #10 on the second page asks about what language you use or >>>>> want >>>>> to use. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I filled in "Smalltalk". Later on it asks which environment you work in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/so-2016 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: Please fill-out as soon as possible as the survey will only be open >>>>> for a short time and could close imminently. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/cincomsmalltalk/posts/10153340529408365?comment_id=1 >>>>> 0153340568823365 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Arden Thomas >>>>> >>>>> Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Arden Thomas >>>>> Cincom Smalltalk STAR Team and Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.cincom.smalltalk.com/> >>>>> CINCOM SYSTEMS, INC. >>>>> 55 Merchant Street >>>>> Cincinnati, OH 45246 >>>>> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/cincom> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/cincom-systems> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/user/CincomVideo> >>>>> <http://www.cincom.com/blog/feed/> >>>>> >>>>> office >>>>> >>>>> website >>>>> >>>>> 513-612-2300 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com >>>> >>>>> athomas@ >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Less is More >>>>> >>>>> --- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT --- >>>>> >>>>> This e-mail transmission contains information that is intended to be >>>>> privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the addressee named >>>>> above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or >>>>> disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any >>>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this >>>>> information >>>>> is prohibited, please reply to the message immediately by informing the >>>>> sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it >>>>> from >>>>> your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is >>>>> appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> >>>>> Esug-list@.esug >>>> >>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Stack-Overflow-developer-survey-is-now-open-action-requested-tp4874080p4874102.html >>>> Sent from the ESUG mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list_lists.esug.org/attachments/20160126/b93c221b/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Esug-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 8 >> **************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org |
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