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timrowledge

Re: The start of this article is a problem for me. I hope this can be re-thought.

> On 29-10-2017, at 2:17 PM, PAUL DEBRUICKER <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/a-gentle-introduction-to-amber-8c532631e9ab
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> Smalltalk is a programming language/environment etc. Physical attractiveness of people doesn't really affect anything we're doing here. And using it for marketing is offensive a significant number of people. I'm hopeful we can do better as a community.

I agree.

tim
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David T. Lewis

Re: The start of this article is a problem for me. I hope this can be re-thought.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 03:34:07PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
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> > On 29-10-2017, at 2:17 PM, PAUL DEBRUICKER <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/a-gentle-introduction-to-amber-8c532631e9ab
> >
> > Smalltalk is a programming language/environment etc. Physical attractiveness of people doesn't really affect anything we're doing here. And using it for marketing is offensive a significant number of people. I'm hopeful we can do better as a community.
>
> I agree.
>

Ick. Me too. That is not the kind of help that any of us needs, nor is it
the kind of publicity that I personally would care to be associated with.

If someone would like to do somthing to attract new people to the commumity,
then please make an effort to commmunicate the importance, past and future,
of women in this commumity.

If I look at the people who were most influential in getting me involved
in Squeak and Smalltalk, many of them were women (Deb Lewis, Carron Odokara,
Adele Goldberg). Surely we do not need to do anything more to discourage the
active participation of creative and innovative women in our community. Let's
please try to do better.

Dave

Chris Muller-3

Re: The start of this article is a problem for me. I hope this can be re-thought.

(Best to ignore it. Drawing attention to this aspect of the article
by asserting the female in the picture has "too much attractiveness,"
aggravates the very problem you wish to avert for females in Squeak.)

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:25 PM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 03:34:07PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
>>
>> > On 29-10-2017, at 2:17 PM, PAUL DEBRUICKER <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/a-gentle-introduction-to-amber-8c532631e9ab
>> >
>> > Smalltalk is a programming language/environment etc. Physical attractiveness of people doesn't really affect anything we're doing here. And using it for marketing is offensive a significant number of people. I'm hopeful we can do better as a community.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>
> Ick. Me too. That is not the kind of help that any of us needs, nor is it
> the kind of publicity that I personally would care to be associated with.
>
> If someone would like to do somthing to attract new people to the commumity,
> then please make an effort to commmunicate the importance, past and future,
> of women in this commumity.
>
> If I look at the people who were most influential in getting me involved
> in Squeak and Smalltalk, many of them were women (Deb Lewis, Carron Odokara,
> Adele Goldberg). Surely we do not need to do anything more to discourage the
> active participation of creative and innovative women in our community. Let's
> please try to do better.
>
> Dave
>
>