Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto (Reed Solomon)

I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by description, rather than by name, through conversation with those who don't have to inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. So, a third possibility exists through communal association. Do you know Kevin Bacon? ;-)

I've used that language!

On 12/08/2015 04:02 PM, EuanM wrote:

The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like
these is "Meno's Paradox"

On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <[hidden email]> wrote:

"I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd

I agree.

I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently.  It seemed
to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to
[small]talk.

I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and
"Garage".  Neither are mnemonic or meaningful

These projects are just the tip of the iceberg.

Pharo project names have publisher-only project names.  The project
name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k.


On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sigh.

I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects.  I went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found are thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no description entered either.  If you want to make sure nobody ever uses your code you've just taken a giant step in the right direction.  But if you hope to make something lots of people benefit from - nobody is going to look for "mushroom" when they want crypto capabilities.

Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately.  We, as a community, do a lousy job of making our code easy to find.

-Todd Blanchard

On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

I like it, but it seems you missed my point :)
mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden.
Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance.
cheers -ben

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers
<[hidden email]> wrote:

I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to
focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki:
https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki

thanks,Robert


On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote:

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers
<[hidden email]> wrote:

On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote:

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers
<[hidden email]> wrote:

Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the
number
of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port
SecureSession and bits.

Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ...
presenting ...

"Maelstrom"

Great sounding name.  However some general advice for the community,
since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the
noise of our web-search-centric universe.  A litmus test for project
naming is using google search to find which return low search results.
Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a
name.  So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best.
One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like.  Here are
some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required
to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)...

"maelstrom"    --> 7,480,000
"maelstroom"  --> 6,200
"maelstrum"    --> 2,280
"maelstruum"  --> 7

Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on:
techniques to generate brand names or domain names.

cheers -ben

I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it
may
take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"?

cheers,
Robert

*Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;)  You need to own it.

I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but
maybe jarring next the the "m".  I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I
associate it with "zoom".  I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute
lowest results.  I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that
anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a
user's browsing history is taken into account.  Finally you need to
check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do
this).

I'd encourage to play around testing on google search.  Its quick and
easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below.
"maelstra" --> 3,560
"maelstram" --> 504
"maelstrim" --> 1200
"maelstroon" --> 58
"maelstroomi" --> 4

btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be
susceptible to real typing errors.

cheers -ben

Wait. Kafka is a part of Hadoop, now? Getting some Love! There's a good match right there. Makes for a very good lambda architecture. They need a meta. Hello squeak!!!  Somebody just needs to build a kafka interface and a spark callback interface. Get squeak with caching to start grinding data, it's right there.

You're right, Phil. Furthermore these names are personable, effective marketing and they always have something to do with what they do. Taker flume, sqoop, yarn or impala. I'll take the Impala, thank you. It's vintage.

In my case, choosing Mushroom has a reasonable descriptive power when considered in light of mobile code budding out all over the grid. It's a cloud solution.

Robert

On 12/08/2015 05:10 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Whoever works with Hadoop tech would find names like:

Hadoop
Spark
Cassandra
HBase
Accumulo
Hive
Pig
Impala
Oozie
YARN
Kafka
Flume
Sqoop
...

Go datascience and you'll get:

R
Shiny
Jupyter
Pandas
Bokeh
D3

And in JS:

Node
Angular
Express

descriptive names? Not at all.

What matters is not the name, it is its description.

And, know what, put a generic name and it will be ungooglable.

Try with Visual Studio Code ...

Pfah, descriptive project names... As if these were descriptive:

Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf)
Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet)
Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (Trusty Tahr)
Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS (Precise Pangolin)

Oh yeah super descriptive names: 

Oracle Communications Diameter Signaling Router

Have a clue?  Enjoy, they have a bunch and renamed a few: https://www.oracle.com/products/oracle-a-z.html

Want to know? Pay the dues.

Phil
 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Robert Withers <[hidden email]> wrote:

I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by description, rather than by name, through conversation with those who don't have to inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. So, a third possibility exists through communal association. Do you know Kevin Bacon? ;-)

I've used that language!

On 12/08/2015 04:02 PM, EuanM wrote:

The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like
these is "Meno's Paradox"

On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <[hidden email][hidden email]> wrote:

"I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd

I agree.

I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently.  It seemed
to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to
[small]talk.

I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and
"Garage".  Neither are mnemonic or meaningful

These projects are just the tip of the iceberg.

Pharo project names have publisher-only project names.  The project
name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k.


On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <[hidden email][hidden email]> wrote:

Sigh.

I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects.  I went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found are thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no description entered either.  If you want to make sure nobody ever uses your code you've just taken a giant step in the right direction.  But if you hope to make something lots of people benefit from - nobody is going to look for "mushroom" when they want crypto capabilities.

Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately.  We, as a community, do a lousy job of making our code easy to find.

-Todd Blanchard

On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman [hidden email] wrote:

I like it, but it seems you missed my point :)
mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden.
Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance.
cheers -ben

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers
<[hidden email]> wrote:

I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to
focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki:
https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki

thanks,Robert


On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote:

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers
<[hidden email]> wrote:

On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote:

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers
<[hidden email]> wrote:

Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the
number
of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port
SecureSession and bits.

Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ...
presenting ...

"Maelstrom"

Great sounding name.  However some general advice for the community,
since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the
noise of our web-search-centric universe.  A litmus test for project
naming is using google search to find which return low search results.
Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a
name.  So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best.
One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like.  Here are
some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required
to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)...

"maelstrom"    --> 7,480,000
"maelstroom"  --> 6,200
"maelstrum"    --> 2,280
"maelstruum"  --> 7

Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on:
techniques to generate brand names or domain names.

cheers -ben

I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it
may
take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"?

cheers,
Robert

*Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;)  You need to own it.

I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but
maybe jarring next the the "m".  I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I
associate it with "zoom".  I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute
lowest results.  I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that
anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a
user's browsing history is taken into account.  Finally you need to
check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do
this).

I'd encourage to play around testing on google search.  Its quick and
easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below.
"maelstra" --> 3,560
"maelstram" --> 504
"maelstrim" --> 1200
"maelstroon" --> 58
"maelstroomi" --> 4

btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be
susceptible to real typing errors.

cheers -ben