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Tim and Ben,
Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW). Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'. I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option + <many keys> gives "special characters" like ∂, ß, and œ. I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do is…". Thanks! > I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried: > > * searching the Pharo by Example book > * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs > * switching from extended to standard US keyboard > * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard > > > If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks! > |
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Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac.
So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save. There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method. On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI) While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Mac’s spotlight but for code) All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo Environment Help. But happy to get you started, as it’s frustrating if the basics aren’t working for you. Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Tim and Ben, > > Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW). > > Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'. > > I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option + <many keys> gives "special characters" like ∂, ß, and œ. > > I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do is…". Thanks! > > >> I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried: >> >> * searching the Pharo by Example book >> * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs >> * switching from extended to standard US keyboard >> * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard >> >> >> If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks! >> > > |
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Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the
shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work. cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would expect any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some shortcuts do work, while others do not. Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do). I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having precedence over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, I've looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac behavior off, with no success. Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work. If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, I'll just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help! === original post === Tim Mackinnon wrote > Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac. > > So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save. > > There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then > press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method. > > On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI) > > While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is > shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Mac’s spotlight but for > code) > > All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo > Environment Help. > > But happy to get you started, as it’s frustrating if the basics aren’t > working for you. > > Tim > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams < > gregg13@ > > wrote: >> >> Tim and Ben, >> >> Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just >> can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is >> "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh >> implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW). >> >> Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things >> like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove >> method'. >> >> I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find >> is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. >> Option + > <many keys> > gives "special characters" like ∂, ß, and œ. >> >> I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do >> is…". Thanks! >> >> >>> I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of >>> stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried: >>> >>> * searching the Pharo by Example book >>> * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs >>> * switching from extended to standard US keyboard >>> * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard >>> >>> >>> If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your >>> solution? Thanks! >>> >> >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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Oh. Its not an individual
Cmd-t then Cmd-t Its Cmd-t-c So with a browser open on the instance side of a class press and hold the Cmd key, then hit t then hit c At least it works on my machine™ GreggInCA wrote > Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the > shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work. > > cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f > (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would > expect > any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some > shortcuts do work, while others do not. > > Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a > class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is > what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do). > > I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having > precedence > over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, > I've > looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac > behavior > off, with no success. > > Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some > energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work. > > If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, > I'll > just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help! > > === original post === > > > Tim Mackinnon wrote >> Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac. >> >> So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save. >> >> There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then >> press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method. >> >> On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI) >> >> While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is >> shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Mac’s spotlight but for >> code) >> >> All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo >> Environment Help. >> >> But happy to get you started, as it’s frustrating if the basics aren’t >> working for you. >> >> Tim >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams < > >> gregg13@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> Tim and Ben, >>> >>> Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just >>> can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is >>> "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh >>> implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW). >>> >>> Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things >>> like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove >>> method'. >>> >>> I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can >>> find >>> is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. >>> Option + >> > <many keys> >> gives "special characters" like ∂, ß, and œ. >>> >>> I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do >>> is…". Thanks! >>> >>> >>>> I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of >>>> stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried: >>>> >>>> * searching the Pharo by Example book >>>> * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs >>>> * switching from extended to standard US keyboard >>>> * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard >>>> >>>> >>>> If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your >>>> solution? Thanks! >>>> >>> >>> > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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oh and a typo. Which should have been:
not Cmd-t then Cmd-c but Cmd-t-c Paul DeBruicker wrote > Oh. Its not an individual > > Cmd-t then Cmd-t > > Its Cmd-t-c > > So with a browser open on the instance side of a class press and hold the > Cmd key, then hit t then hit c > > At least it works on my machine™ > > > > > GreggInCA wrote >> Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the >> shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard >> Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work. >> >> cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f >> (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would >> expect >> any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some >> shortcuts do work, while others do not. >> >> Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a >> class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is >> what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do). >> >> I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having >> precedence >> over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, >> I've >> looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac >> behavior >> off, with no success. >> >> Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some >> energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work. >> >> If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, >> I'll >> just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help! >> >> === original post === >> >> >> Tim Mackinnon wrote >>> Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac. >>> >>> So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save. >>> >>> There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then >>> press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method. >>> >>> On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI) >>> >>> While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is >>> shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Mac’s spotlight but for >>> code) >>> >>> All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo >>> Environment Help. >>> >>> But happy to get you started, as it’s frustrating if the basics aren’t >>> working for you. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams < >> >>> gregg13@ >> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Tim and Ben, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just >>>> can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said >>>> is >>>> "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh >>>> implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW). >>>> >>>> Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things >>>> like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove >>>> method'. >>>> >>>> I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can >>>> find >>>> is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. >>>> Option + >>> >> > <many keys> >>> gives "special characters" like ∂, ß, and œ. >>>> >>>> I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do >>>> is…". Thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>>> I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot >>>>> of >>>>> stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried: >>>>> >>>>> * searching the Pharo by Example book >>>>> * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs >>>>> * switching from extended to standard US keyboard >>>>> * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your >>>>> solution? Thanks! >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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Yes they all work for me too - so we ‘re a bit confused by what your reporting Greg, as they should all work on a Mac.
I’m sure we can help you get to the bottom of it. Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Jun 2018, at 06:39, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote: > > oh and a typo. Which should have been: > > not Cmd-t then Cmd-c > > but > > Cmd-t-c > > > > > Paul DeBruicker wrote >> Oh. Its not an individual >> >> Cmd-t then Cmd-t >> >> Its Cmd-t-c >> >> So with a browser open on the instance side of a class press and hold the >> Cmd key, then hit t then hit c >> >> At least it works on my machine™ >> >> >> >> >> GreggInCA wrote >>> Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the >>> shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard >>> Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work. >>> >>> cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f >>> (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would >>> expect >>> any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some >>> shortcuts do work, while others do not. >>> >>> Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a >>> class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is >>> what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do). >>> >>> I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having >>> precedence >>> over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, >>> I've >>> looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac >>> behavior >>> off, with no success. >>> >>> Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some >>> energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work. >>> >>> If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, >>> I'll >>> just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help! >>> >>> === original post === >>> >>> >>> Tim Mackinnon wrote >>>> Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac. >>>> >>>> So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save. >>>> >>>> There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then >>>> press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method. >>>> >>>> On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI) >>>> >>>> While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is >>>> shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Mac’s spotlight but for >>>> code) >>>> >>>> All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo >>>> Environment Help. >>>> >>>> But happy to get you started, as it’s frustrating if the basics aren’t >>>> working for you. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams < >>> >>>> gregg13@ >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Tim and Ben, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just >>>>> can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said >>>>> is >>>>> "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh >>>>> implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW). >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things >>>>> like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove >>>>> method'. >>>>> >>>>> I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can >>>>> find >>>>> is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. >>>>> Option + >>>> >>> >> <many keys> >>>> gives "special characters" like ∂, ß, and œ. >>>>> >>>>> I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do >>>>> is…". Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot >>>>>> of >>>>>> stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried: >>>>>> >>>>>> * searching the Pharo by Example book >>>>>> * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs >>>>>> * switching from extended to standard US keyboard >>>>>> * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your >>>>>> solution? Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > |
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Paul and Tim. Nope, still doesn't work. It might be some hacker-level
customization I've forgotten about. Anyway, it's not worth my time or yours to track this down. Thanks for all your help. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html |
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