Re: next steps

Cool! Can you try a class blueprint?

Alexandre

On 3 Jun 2011, at 22:39, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> Hi,

> I committed the Mondrian extensions to support the HTML/Protovis file generation. It took some time because I had some performances issues whit dragging. Also, I had to use an external library to the tooltips because Protovis only supports basic tooltips in a single line. Owing to these problems some additional files are required to run the generated html (I'm attaching these files).

> Currently the visitor only support the generation of graphics with rectangle nodes and edges. Specifically, inner nodes, DistributionMap, and system complexity. (I'm also attaching an example of each one)
> I gladly welcome your comments! ;)
> Cheers
>   Santiago
>
> 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> Looks good.
> Edges now
>
> Alexandre
>
> On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment.
> > Take care
> >    Santiago
> >
> > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
> >
> > Ok, let us know
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> > >
> > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code:
> > > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
> > > >        view nodes: (1 to: each).
> > > >        view gridLayout ]
> > > >
> > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge.
> > > > An edge is a line
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Alexandre
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You should see this
> > > > > <InnerEdges.png>
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > Good start!
> > > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >   Santiago
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should go for both options.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Doru
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > > > > > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > > > > > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > > > > > >> Cheers
> > > > > > > >>   Santiago
> > > > > > >
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Hi Santiago!

Really cool! You succeeded in having class blueprint in a web browser, probably the most complicated visualization made with mondrian.

I now have a question about packaging your work. All the compressed javascript code takes 188 Kb. Where should we put this necessary code? Within Mondrian directly I think. Like this one can simply export a visualization as html5 without having to install anything else on the side.

Do you think you can store a zip file as a string (have a look at the ThemeIcons class side, they use Base64MimeConverter to have a binary code as a readable string)? And then unzip it when exporting a visualization as html5?

Cheers,
Alexandre

On 9 Jun 2011, at 21:05, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> Hi,
>  I updated the Protovis export method of Mondrian easel. Now it also works with blueprint classes. One or more classes can be displayed (In the same way as Mondrian). There are some examples in the next file: www.santiagovidal.com.ar/MondrianProtovis/examples.zip
> Now, also, the canvas is automatically re-sized when you drag an element out of it.
> Cheers
>   Santiago
>
> 2011/6/5 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> Hi,
>
> Pretty nice.
>
> Just a note: Given that the size of the attachments is large, please put it somewhere for us to download instead of sending them by mail directly. Use Dropbox for example:
> http://www.dropbox.com/
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 4 Jun 2011, at 21:35, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > Ok, that's the next step :)
> > Santiago
> >
> > 2011/6/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > Cool! Can you try a class blueprint?
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > On 3 Jun 2011, at 22:39, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I committed the Mondrian extensions to support the HTML/Protovis file generation. It took some time because I had some performances issues whit dragging. Also, I had to use an external library to the tooltips because Protovis only supports basic tooltips in a single line. Owing to these problems some additional files are required to run the generated html (I'm attaching these files).
> > > Currently the visitor only support the generation of graphics with rectangle nodes and edges. Specifically, inner nodes, DistributionMap, and system complexity. (I'm also attaching an example of each one)
> > > I gladly welcome your comments! ;)
> > > Cheers
> > >   Santiago
> > >
> > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > Looks good.
> > > Edges now
> > >
> > > Alexandre
> > >
> > > On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment.
> > > > Take care
> > > >    Santiago
> > > >
> > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, let us know
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Doru
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code:
> > > > > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
> > > > > >        view nodes: (1 to: each).
> > > > > >        view gridLayout ]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge.
> > > > > > An edge is a line
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should see this
> > > > > > > <InnerEdges.png>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > Good start!
> > > > > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > >   Santiago
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You should go for both options.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Doru
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > > > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > > > > > > > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > > > > > > > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > > > > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > > > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > > > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > > > > > > > >> Cheers
> > > > > > > > > >>   Santiago
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Johan Fabry
> > > > > > > > > [hidden email] - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry
> > > > > > > > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
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> > > > > > > > ISISTAN Research Institute
> > > > > > > > UNICEN University
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Ok, cool!

Alexandre

On 10 Jun 2011, at 09:21, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> It sounds possible. I'll take a look at it.
> Santiago
>
> 2011/6/10 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> Hi Santiago!
>
> Really cool! You succeeded in having class blueprint in a web browser, probably the most complicated visualization made with mondrian.
>
> I now have a question about packaging your work. All the compressed javascript code takes 188 Kb. Where should we put this necessary code? Within Mondrian directly I think. Like this one can simply export a visualization as html5 without having to install anything else on the side.
>
> Do you think you can store a zip file as a string (have a look at the ThemeIcons class side, they use Base64MimeConverter to have a binary code as a readable string)? And then unzip it when exporting a visualization as html5?
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 9 Jun 2011, at 21:05, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >  I updated the Protovis export method of Mondrian easel. Now it also works with blueprint classes. One or more classes can be displayed (In the same way as Mondrian). There are some examples in the next file: www.santiagovidal.com.ar/MondrianProtovis/examples.zip
> > Now, also, the canvas is automatically re-sized when you drag an element out of it.
> > Cheers
> >   Santiago
> >
> > 2011/6/5 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Pretty nice.
> >
> > Just a note: Given that the size of the attachments is large, please put it somewhere for us to download instead of sending them by mail directly. Use Dropbox for example:
> > http://www.dropbox.com/
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On 4 Jun 2011, at 21:35, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, that's the next step :)
> > > Santiago
> > >
> > > 2011/6/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > Cool! Can you try a class blueprint?
> > >
> > > Alexandre
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3 Jun 2011, at 22:39, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I committed the Mondrian extensions to support the HTML/Protovis file generation. It took some time because I had some performances issues whit dragging. Also, I had to use an external library to the tooltips because Protovis only supports basic tooltips in a single line. Owing to these problems some additional files are required to run the generated html (I'm attaching these files).
> > > > Currently the visitor only support the generation of graphics with rectangle nodes and edges. Specifically, inner nodes, DistributionMap, and system complexity. (I'm also attaching an example of each one)
> > > > I gladly welcome your comments! ;)
> > > > Cheers
> > > >   Santiago
> > > >
> > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > Looks good.
> > > > Edges now
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre
> > > >
> > > > On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment.
> > > > > Take care
> > > > >    Santiago
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, let us know
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Doru
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code:
> > > > > > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
> > > > > > >        view nodes: (1 to: each).
> > > > > > >        view gridLayout ]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge.
> > > > > > > An edge is a line
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You should see this
> > > > > > > > <InnerEdges.png>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > Good start!
> > > > > > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > >   Santiago
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You should go for both options.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > Doru
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > > > > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > > > > > > > > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > > > > > > > > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > > > > > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > > > > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > > > > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > > > > > > > > >> Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > >>   Santiago
> > > > > > > > > >
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I just tried. It works pretty! There is only one thing that I am seeing, the tool tip centers the text. Can it be left justified?

Cheers,
Alexandre

On 10 Jun 2011, at 15:30, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> I implemented the automatic extraction of the Protovis files by means of Base64MimeConverter. I commited the new version to squeaksource.
> Cheers
>
> 2011/6/10 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> Ok, cool!
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 10 Jun 2011, at 09:21, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > It sounds possible. I'll take a look at it.
> > Santiago
> >
> > 2011/6/10 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > Hi Santiago!
> >
> > Really cool! You succeeded in having class blueprint in a web browser, probably the most complicated visualization made with mondrian.
> >
> > I now have a question about packaging your work. All the compressed javascript code takes 188 Kb. Where should we put this necessary code? Within Mondrian directly I think. Like this one can simply export a visualization as html5 without having to install anything else on the side.
> >
> > Do you think you can store a zip file as a string (have a look at the ThemeIcons class side, they use Base64MimeConverter to have a binary code as a readable string)? And then unzip it when exporting a visualization as html5?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > On 9 Jun 2011, at 21:05, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >  I updated the Protovis export method of Mondrian easel. Now it also works with blueprint classes. One or more classes can be displayed (In the same way as Mondrian). There are some examples in the next file: www.santiagovidal.com.ar/MondrianProtovis/examples.zip
> > > Now, also, the canvas is automatically re-sized when you drag an element out of it.
> > > Cheers
> > >   Santiago
> > >
> > > 2011/6/5 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Pretty nice.
> > >
> > > Just a note: Given that the size of the attachments is large, please put it somewhere for us to download instead of sending them by mail directly. Use Dropbox for example:
> > > http://www.dropbox.com/
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4 Jun 2011, at 21:35, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, that's the next step :)
> > > > Santiago
> > > >
> > > > 2011/6/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > Cool! Can you try a class blueprint?
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3 Jun 2011, at 22:39, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > I committed the Mondrian extensions to support the HTML/Protovis file generation. It took some time because I had some performances issues whit dragging. Also, I had to use an external library to the tooltips because Protovis only supports basic tooltips in a single line. Owing to these problems some additional files are required to run the generated html (I'm attaching these files).
> > > > > Currently the visitor only support the generation of graphics with rectangle nodes and edges. Specifically, inner nodes, DistributionMap, and system complexity. (I'm also attaching an example of each one)
> > > > > I gladly welcome your comments! ;)
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >   Santiago
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > Looks good.
> > > > > Edges now
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 16:03, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have changed the implementation. Now you can click and drag the inner nodes. The new file is in the attachment.
> > > > > > Take care
> > > > > >    Santiago
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, let us know
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Doru
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code:
> > > > > > > > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
> > > > > > > >        view nodes: (1 to: each).
> > > > > > > >        view gridLayout ]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge.
> > > > > > > > An edge is a line
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You should see this
> > > > > > > > > <InnerEdges.png>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > Good start!
> > > > > > > > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > >   Santiago
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You should go for both options.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > Doru
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > > > > > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > >>   Santiago
> > > > > > > > > > >
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