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Nowak, Helge

Re: [vwnc] most energy efficient AI system - challenge of the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research BMBF

Dear Bernhard, Alexandre and all,

Thanks Bernhard for pointing to this. I would have missed it completely…

The German BMBF (Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung = German Federal Ministry of Research and Technology) started this competition for German universities and public research centers. It is targeted at increasing energy efficiency for AI systems. The aim is to increase Germany’s competencies and competitiveness in this sector which is deemed to be a future key technology with the potential of disruptive innovation.

It is clear that the energy efficiency is less determined by what programming language is used and what virtual machine is run on some standard hardware. The real gains are rather found in maybe novel algorithms, surely in novel hardware architectures and implementations. Indeed, when you look at the details of the competition (link below) that is exactly the case: any proposed solutions submitted to the competition must belong to one of three categories: FPGAs, ASIC s in 130 nm technology or ASICs in FDSOI technology. Close hardware/software co-design is explicitly requested. Not eligible are solutions that only optimize software components or use commercially available hardware unchanged.

Does this mean that this competition is of no interest to ambitious Smalltalkers? No! In contrary. With Smalltalk being a perfect interactive modeling, exploration and simulation tool we Smalltalkers can help our competition team to build, explore and optimize their ideas before and while building them in hardware. Also hardware is nothing without software. Smalltalk is in my view best positioned to execute the desired co-design in a co-evolutionary way. Certainly we could demonstrate modern “agile” engineering approaches as a side-means to increase competitiveness.

Everyone interested should take a look at the competition here: https://www.bmbf.de/foerderungen/bekanntmachung-2371.html (in German, obviously).

Please also forward to all people who might be interested.

Cheers

Helge

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Von: Alexandre Bergel [mailto:[hidden email]]
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Hello,

We conducted some experiment in characterizing virtual machine from an energetic point of view. Results are not public yet. This is just to say this is a topic that I am interested in.

Cheers,

Alexandre

On Apr 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Bernhard Höfner <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello Group,

the German BMBF advertised a reward for the most energy efficient AI system, see: https://www.bmbf.de/de/mehr-ki-erfordert-weniger-energie-8156.html (in German), and I am wondering what is the position of Smalltalk in that field or what it could be. From the early 90th I know that much of the pretended slowness of Smalltalk was absorbed by the more efficient programs due to better analysis, concepts, design and development tools (and maybe developers ? ).

Best Regards, Bernhard

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Nowak, Helge

Re: [vwnc] most energy efficient AI system - challenge of the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research BMBF

Dear all,

I have received several interesting suggestions about innovative ideas, on this list and privately. I would love to see these pursued! Unfortunately this competition is for _German_ universities and research institutes only. And the idea givers come from elsewhere. Thus we would need a German research group who would take these ideas and bring them to life. And, we would need permission and support by the idea givers to use and implement their ideas. Whether this would result in any remuneration? I don't know.

Are there people out there who would want to take this challenge? If yes, I would be happy to help coordinate things.

Cheers
Helge
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Von: Alexandre Bergel [mailto:[hidden email]]
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Hello,

Just to share a bit of the work being done in the Southern Hemisphere:
- The book https://agileartificialintelligence.github.io is going well, and will be published by Apress
- Popular AI libraries written in Python are accessible from Smalltalk. Here is a report about it: http://bergel.eu/MyPapers/Infa18a-Keras.pdf

I can provide more information if necessary...

Cheers,
Alexandre

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 3:35 PM, mark pirogovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> About AI in Smaltalk:
>
>
> Bernhard Höfner wrote:
>> Thank you, Helge, I had no clue but I felt something like this.
>> …at least it would be an excellent advertisement for Smalltalk when
>> it succeeds and therefore maybe it would be worth to harness the forces in the Smalltalk community, no matter if Squeak, Pharo, VisualWorks… But Smalltalk will not have any effect without an excellent partner for hardware and for AI algorithms. Maybe the suitable Fraunhofer institute? At least they invented mp3.
>
> In mid 90ies I was part of the Smalltalk project where the Neural network was paired with the distributed computing and n-tier architecture. The Neural Net part was running on bunch of Windows computers running Win 3.1. Each of the PC would get data from the central Database, analyze and learn from it and post suggestion and modes to neural network back to the database.
>
> The effectiveness was quite amazing. It was in real production for a
> while. I wonder if something like this still quietly exists in some
> bank or investment place or CIA
>
>> From the early 90th I know that much of the pretended slowness of Smalltalk was absorbed by the more efficient programs due to better analysis, concepts, design and development tools (and maybe developers ? ).
>>
>> Best Regards, Bernhard
>
> Today reincarnation of the VisualWorks performs just as good as many compiled languages thanks to the VM optimization and excellent JIT algorithms.

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