Recent Pharo does not work (to me) with "El Capitan"

> On 13 Jun 2018, at 19:07, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> First of all, thanks everybody for your effort making Pharo. It's hugely
> appreciated.
>
> But..., I cannot make Pharo 6 or 7 work in os x "El Capitan". I've tried
> stable and latest for images and vm's, either 6.0, 6.1 and 7.0. Any
> combination fails to start. Also, no download from Pharo.org works for
> me (not the launcher, not the standalone).
>
> It's always an error that looks like this one:
>
> "Illegal instruction Wed Jun 13 19:52:37 2018
>
>
> VM: 201805090836 https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm.git
> Date: Wed May 9 10:36:12 2018 CommitHash: 334be97
> Plugins: 201805090836 https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm.git
>
> ./pharo: line 11:  2623 Abort trap: 6
> "$DIR"/"pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo" --headless "$@""
>
> Is this a known problem (hopefully with some known workaround), or is it
> me getting old? I am not new to Pharo and everything worked fine up to
> Pharo 5.0.
>
> This problem only appears in os x "El Capitan". I use Pharo, any
> version, in Ubuntu with no problem at all.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> Bests,
>
> Jordi Delgado
>
> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
> Campus Nord, Omega building,
> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>

> On 13 Jun 2018, at 20:11, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your answer Tim.
>
> That's one of the multiple things I've tried. I did it again and here
> you have the complete session, starting from an empty directory:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> iMac-de-Jordi-2:tmp jordi$ ls -al
> total 0
> drwxr-xr-x   2 jordi  staff    68 13 jun 21:01 .
> drwxr-x---@ 49 jordi  staff  1666 13 jun 19:45 ..
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> iMac-de-Jordi-2:tmp jordi$ curl https://get.pharo.org/64/ | bash
>  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
> Current
>                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
> Speed
> 100 11324  100 11324    0     0  26168      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
> 26152
> Downloading the latest 61 Image:
>    http://files.pharo.org/get-files/61/pharo64.zip
> Pharo.image
> Downloading the latest pharoVM:
> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/61/pharo64-mac-stable.zip
> pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo
> Downloading PharoV61.sources:
> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/61/sources.zip
> Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> iMac-de-Jordi-2:tmp jordi$ ls -la
> total 112456
> drwxr-xr-x   8 jordi  staff       272 13 jun 21:02 .
> drwxr-x---@ 49 jordi  staff      1666 13 jun 19:45 ..
> -rw-rw-r--   1 jordi  staff   7694724  5 abr 14:36 Pharo.changes
> -rw-rw-r--   1 jordi  staff  49867880  5 abr 14:36 Pharo.image
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 jordi  staff       390 13 jun 21:01 pharo
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 jordi  staff       379 13 jun 21:01 pharo-ui
> drwxr-xr-x   5 jordi  staff       170 13 jun 21:01 pharo-vm
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> iMac-de-Jordi-2:tmp jordi$ ./pharo Pharo.image --help
>
> Illegal instruction Wed Jun 13 21:02:06 2018
>
>
> VM: 201805090836 https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm.git
> Date: Wed May 9 10:36:12 2018 CommitHash: 334be97
> Plugins: 201805090836 https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm.git
>
> ./pharo: line 11:  3483 Abort trap: 6
> "$DIR"/"pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo" --headless "$@"
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> And that's it :(
>
> El 13/6/18 a les 20:52, Tim Mackinnon ha escrit:
>>
>> Hmm - it’s an older MacOS but I recall it working back then. The msg about —headless looks a bit suspicious. Are you running what you think you are running?
>>
>> Try following the command line instructions for a zero conf install in a terminal in a fresh directory, that might give you better feedback (and may just work).
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> --
> Salut!
>
> Jordi Delgado
>
> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
> Campus Nord, Omega building,
> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>

> On 13 Jun 2018, at 22:57, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yes, I did. Same result.
>
> All the same happens with the latest version of Squeak.
>
> I tried with High Sierra. In HS Pharo 6.1 starts, the image opens but
> then it complains about not being able to create some file in
> /Private/var/... and the image becomes unusable. In High Sierra the
> latest version of Squeak opens correctly.

>
> El 13/6/18 a les 21:55, Tim Mackinnon ha escrit:
>> Have you tried the 32bit version - just to rule that out? You did the 64bit version - not sure how El Capitan faired with that?
>>
>>
>
> --
> Salut!
>
> Jordi Delgado
>
> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
> Campus Nord, Omega building,
> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>

>
>
>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 22:57, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I did. Same result.
>>
>> All the same happens with the latest version of Squeak.
>>
>> I tried with High Sierra. In HS Pharo 6.1 starts, the image opens but
>> then it complains about not being able to create some file in
>> /Private/var/... and the image becomes unusable. In High Sierra the
>> latest version of Squeak opens correctly.
>
> this is because you are trying to execute a non-signed VM then it puts you in a sandbox.
> easy fix: copy your VM into Applications and execute from there.
>
>>
>> Tomorrow I will try with Sierra, on a clean computer (a computer that
>> never had a Smalltalk installed in it).
>>
>> I insist. You do not find any of these problems with Ubuntu. Quoting
>> Robert de Niro, f*ck Apple ;)
>
> well, but is very weird.
> most of use work on mac and we do not have this problems (yes the one about the signed VM, but just that one).
>
> Esteban
>
>>
>> El 13/6/18 a les 21:55, Tim Mackinnon ha escrit:
>>> Have you tried the 32bit version - just to rule that out? You did the 64bit version - not sure how El Capitan faired with that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Salut!
>>
>> Jordi Delgado
>>
>> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
>> Campus Nord, Omega building,
>> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
>> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
>> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
>> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>>
>
>

> On 14 Jun 2018, at 09:37, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I checked with Sierra and High Sierra, both Pharo and Squeak and everything works ok.
>
> Thus, I guess some change/improvement was done to the vm's that broke them for El Capitan.
>
> Thanks for your answers.
>
> On 13/06/18 23:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 22:57, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I did. Same result.
>>>
>>> All the same happens with the latest version of Squeak.
>>>
>>> I tried with High Sierra. In HS Pharo 6.1 starts, the image opens but
>>> then it complains about not being able to create some file in
>>> /Private/var/... and the image becomes unusable. In High Sierra the
>>> latest version of Squeak opens correctly.
>> this is because you are trying to execute a non-signed VM then it puts you in a sandbox.
>> easy fix: copy your VM into Applications and execute from there.
>>>
>>> Tomorrow I will try with Sierra, on a clean computer (a computer that
>>> never had a Smalltalk installed in it).
>>>
>>> I insist. You do not find any of these problems with Ubuntu. Quoting
>>> Robert de Niro, f*ck Apple ;)
>> well, but is very weird.
>> most of use work on mac and we do not have this problems (yes the one about the signed VM, but just that one).
>> Esteban
>>>
>>> El 13/6/18 a les 21:55, Tim Mackinnon ha escrit:
>>>> Have you tried the 32bit version - just to rule that out? You did the 64bit version - not sure how El Capitan faired with that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Salut!
>>>
>>> Jordi Delgado
>>>
>>> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
>>> Campus Nord, Omega building,
>>> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
>>> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
>>> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
>>> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>>>
>
> --
> Salut!
>
> Jordi Delgado
>
> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
> Campus Nord, Omega building,
> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>

> I guess we should work out which vm still works and put that as a footnote on the installation page? Possibly not worth fixing it for something several os versions black?
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 14 Jun 2018, at 09:37, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I checked with Sierra and High Sierra, both Pharo and Squeak and everything works ok.
>>
>> Thus, I guess some change/improvement was done to the vm's that broke them for El Capitan.
>>
>> Thanks for your answers.
>>
>> On 13/06/18 23:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 22:57, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I did. Same result.
>>>>
>>>> All the same happens with the latest version of Squeak.
>>>>
>>>> I tried with High Sierra. In HS Pharo 6.1 starts, the image opens but
>>>> then it complains about not being able to create some file in
>>>> /Private/var/... and the image becomes unusable. In High Sierra the
>>>> latest version of Squeak opens correctly.
>>> this is because you are trying to execute a non-signed VM then it puts you in a sandbox.
>>> easy fix: copy your VM into Applications and execute from there.
>>>>
>>>> Tomorrow I will try with Sierra, on a clean computer (a computer that
>>>> never had a Smalltalk installed in it).
>>>>
>>>> I insist. You do not find any of these problems with Ubuntu. Quoting
>>>> Robert de Niro, f*ck Apple ;)
>>> well, but is very weird.
>>> most of use work on mac and we do not have this problems (yes the one about the signed VM, but just that one).
>>> Esteban
>>>>
>>>> El 13/6/18 a les 21:55, Tim Mackinnon ha escrit:
>>>>> Have you tried the 32bit version - just to rule that out? You did the 64bit version - not sure how El Capitan faired with that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Salut!
>>>>
>>>> Jordi Delgado
>>>>
>>>> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
>>>> Campus Nord, Omega building,
>>>> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
>>>> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
>>>> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
>>>> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Salut!
>>
>> Jordi Delgado
>>
>> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
>> Campus Nord, Omega building,
>> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
>> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
>> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
>> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>>
>
>

> On 14 Jun 2018, at 09:58, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I think that is a great idea. El Capitan is not that old and I bet there are a lot of computers still running it.
>
> In my case, an iMac bought in 2007 with 4Gb ram, 512 Gb SSD disk and El Capitan works like a charm, and I'm not going to quit using it until it stops working. It's a pity that I cannot run the latest Pharo in it (I have no problem with the latest versions of any of the other software I regularly use).
>
> What you suggest is quite reasonable. Offering a Pharo 6.1 for OS X pre-Sierra (as far as you can go backwards in time) would be great. Provided it is possible, of course (maybe 6.1 images do not run in previous vm's; I do not know).
>
>> On 14/06/18 10:44, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
>> I guess we should work out which vm still works and put that as a footnote on the installation page? Possibly not worth fixing it for something several os versions black?
>> Tim
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On 14 Jun 2018, at 09:37, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I checked with Sierra and High Sierra, both Pharo and Squeak and everything works ok.
>>>
>>> Thus, I guess some change/improvement was done to the vm's that broke them for El Capitan.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your answers.
>>>
>>> On 13/06/18 23:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 22:57, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I did. Same result.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the same happens with the latest version of Squeak.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried with High Sierra. In HS Pharo 6.1 starts, the image opens but
>>>>> then it complains about not being able to create some file in
>>>>> /Private/var/... and the image becomes unusable. In High Sierra the
>>>>> latest version of Squeak opens correctly.
>>>> this is because you are trying to execute a non-signed VM then it puts you in a sandbox.
>>>> easy fix: copy your VM into Applications and execute from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomorrow I will try with Sierra, on a clean computer (a computer that
>>>>> never had a Smalltalk installed in it).
>>>>>
>>>>> I insist. You do not find any of these problems with Ubuntu. Quoting
>>>>> Robert de Niro, f*ck Apple ;)
>>>> well, but is very weird.
>>>> most of use work on mac and we do not have this problems (yes the one about the signed VM, but just that one).
>>>> Esteban
>>>>>
>>>>> El 13/6/18 a les 21:55, Tim Mackinnon ha escrit:
>>>>>> Have you tried the 32bit version - just to rule that out? You did the 64bit version - not sure how El Capitan faired with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Salut!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jordi Delgado
>>>>>
>>>>> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
>>>>> Campus Nord, Omega building,
>>>>> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
>>>>> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
>>>>> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
>>>>> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Salut!
>>>
>>> Jordi Delgado
>>>
>>> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
>>> Campus Nord, Omega building,
>>> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
>>> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
>>> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
>>> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>>>
>
> --
> Salut!
>
> Jordi Delgado
>
> Computer Science Department - Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya
> Campus Nord, Omega building,
> Office S115 c/Jordi Girona Salgado, 1-3
> 08034 Barcelona, Spain.
> Phone: +34.93.413.40.18
> Public Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB7911543AD9E79A8
>

> On 13 Jun 2018, at 23:41, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 22:57, Jordi Delgado <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I did. Same result.
>>
>> All the same happens with the latest version of Squeak.
>>
>> I tried with High Sierra. In HS Pharo 6.1 starts, the image opens but
>> then it complains about not being able to create some file in
>> /Private/var/... and the image becomes unusable. In High Sierra the
>> latest version of Squeak opens correctly.
>
> this is because you are trying to execute a non-signed VM then it puts you in a sandbox.
> easy fix: copy your VM into Applications and execute from there.
>