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Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.

Cheers

Mariano

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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Lukas Renggli
> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.

Yes please, kill that crap.

There seem to be a couple of references though.

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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.

Yes please, kill that crap.

hahaha

There seem to be a couple of references though.



yes, I saw them. That's why I asked if it was worth to do it or not...spend time looking how to solve those references.

Cheers

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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Diogenes Moreira
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Yessssssssssss.. Please

2010/3/17 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.

Cheers

Mariano

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Re: Keep GOING (was: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??)

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On Mar 17, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
>> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
>
> Yes please, kill that crap.
>

Haha! This is why Pharo is going in the right direction! Keep up the good work of cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, harvesting good ideas and making the system better.

A friend of mine who worked with Squeak several years ago just a few days ago was looking at the object model in Pharo and said "Wow! That is so much cleaner and easier to look through now!"

These are worthy directions that we go in. Thanks Stef, Lukas, Alexandre, Mariano, Doru, Marcus, Torsten, Henrik, Sig, Damien, etc, etc, etc...

- Brian



> There seem to be a couple of references though.
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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Stéphane Ducasse
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+ 1!
Even with a bit of nostalgia :)
But this is the way to go.
Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in.

Stef

On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
>
> Cheers
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Re: Keep GOING (was: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??)

Stéphane Ducasse
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Thanks Brian.
Brian you know we are not against Squeak. We are for beauty and quality. :) (I always liked etoys but hated its implementation).
So welcomed on pharo.

Now I said that I will not be negative against squeak and I will apply my resolution (which is easy because I cleaned some of
my rancor recently - I have a red pill for those interested :))

I think that if Squeak would  build the next century multimedia system I would be **really** happy. Now if they would build it
on take pharocore as a core then we could join forced. I do not say that for my ego or for the fame of Pharo but more
in regards to people such as nicolas that published in both communities.

Now we know where pharo is heading but this is not clear for Squeak. May be they like that (no pun) and this is good for them,
this is ok too.
Now if they would take the Multimedia space and make it excellent (I men truly excellent, clean and lean code), good abstraction (cairo, pango....) then we would be in a win-win situation. We could focus on the infrastructure and they would be the sexy Squeak.
But for this to happen people should decide to do it and accept that they are not alone.

Stef


>>> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
>>> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
>>
>> Yes please, kill that crap.
>>
>
> Haha! This is why Pharo is going in the right direction! Keep up the good work of cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, harvesting good ideas and making the system better.
>
> A friend of mine who worked with Squeak several years ago just a few days ago was looking at the object model in Pharo and said "Wow! That is so much cleaner and easier to look through now!"
>
> These are worthy directions that we go in. Thanks Stef, Lukas, Alexandre, Mariano, Doru, Marcus, Torsten, Henrik, Sig, Damien, etc, etc, etc...
>
> - Brian
>
>
>
>> There seem to be a couple of references though.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
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Re: Keep GOING (was: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??)

Alexandre Bergel
Very well said Stef

Alexandre


On 17 Mar 2010, at 13:54, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> Thanks Brian.
> Brian you know we are not against Squeak. We are for beauty and  
> quality. :) (I always liked etoys but hated its implementation).
> So welcomed on pharo.
>
> Now I said that I will not be negative against squeak and I will  
> apply my resolution (which is easy because I cleaned some of
> my rancor recently - I have a red pill for those interested :))
>
> I think that if Squeak would  build the next century multimedia  
> system I would be **really** happy. Now if they would build it
> on take pharocore as a core then we could join forced. I do not say  
> that for my ego or for the fame of Pharo but more
> in regards to people such as nicolas that published in both  
> communities.
>
> Now we know where pharo is heading but this is not clear for Squeak.  
> May be they like that (no pun) and this is good for them,
> this is ok too.
> Now if they would take the Multimedia space and make it excellent (I  
> men truly excellent, clean and lean code), good abstraction (cairo,  
> pango....) then we would be in a win-win situation. We could focus  
> on the infrastructure and they would be the sexy Squeak.
> But for this to happen people should decide to do it and accept that  
> they are not alone.
>
> Stef
>
>
>>>> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and  
>>>> PenPointRecorder  ?
>>>> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a  
>>>> repository.
>>>
>>> Yes please, kill that crap.
>>>
>>
>> Haha! This is why Pharo is going in the right direction! Keep up  
>> the good work of cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, harvesting good  
>> ideas and making the system better.
>>
>> A friend of mine who worked with Squeak several years ago just a  
>> few days ago was looking at the object model in Pharo and said  
>> "Wow! That is so much cleaner and easier to look through now!"
>>
>> These are worthy directions that we go in. Thanks Stef, Lukas,  
>> Alexandre, Mariano, Doru, Marcus, Torsten, Henrik, Sig, Damien,  
>> etc, etc, etc...
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>> There seem to be a couple of references though.
>>>
>>> Lukas
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lukas Renggli
>>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
+ 1!
Even with a bit of nostalgia :)

Nostalgia ??? what's that ?  ;)  It is not nostalgia as it was the first time I saw them :)

In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.
In Inbox:

Name: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.2
Author: MarianoMartinezPeck
Time: 18 March 2010, 5:50:39 pm
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Ancestors: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.1
Dependencies: Graphics-MarianoMartinezPeck.220, Kernel-MarianoMartinezPeck.622, Morphic-MarianoMartinezPeck.551, System-MarianoMartinezPeck.16, System-Support-MarianoMartinezPeck.265

Fix to issue 2163. Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder.
In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.





 
But this is the way to go.
Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in.

Stef

On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Fernando olivero

On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:



On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
+ 1!
Even with a bit of nostalgia :)

Nostalgia ??? what's that ?  ;)  It is not nostalgia as it was the first time I saw them :)

In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.
In Inbox:

Name: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.2
Author: MarianoMartinezPeck
Time: 18 March 2010, 5:50:39 pm
UUID: 358400a8-d2c1-4688-8df2-4054d93f5e44
Ancestors: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.1
Dependencies: Graphics-MarianoMartinezPeck.220, Kernel-MarianoMartinezPeck.622, Morphic-MarianoMartinezPeck.551, System-MarianoMartinezPeck.16, System-Support-MarianoMartinezPeck.265

Fix to issue 2163. Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder.
In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.





 
But this is the way to go.
Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in.

Stef

On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mariano
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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Mariano Martinez Peck
nuuuuuu hahahahhaha  Incredible!!!

ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha

2010/3/18 Fernando olivero <[hidden email]>

On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:



On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
+ 1!
Even with a bit of nostalgia :)

Nostalgia ??? what's that ?  ;)  It is not nostalgia as it was the first time I saw them :)

In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.
In Inbox:

Name: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.2
Author: MarianoMartinezPeck
Time: 18 March 2010, 5:50:39 pm
UUID: 358400a8-d2c1-4688-8df2-4054d93f5e44
Ancestors: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.1
Dependencies: Graphics-MarianoMartinezPeck.220, Kernel-MarianoMartinezPeck.622, Morphic-MarianoMartinezPeck.551, System-MarianoMartinezPeck.16, System-Support-MarianoMartinezPeck.265

Fix to issue 2163. Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder.
In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.





 
But this is the way to go.
Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in.

Stef

On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder  ?
> At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mariano
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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Stéphane Ducasse
No just young and fool (like I would like to be)
We need more people like you to kick our asses.

> nuuuuuu hahahahhaha  Incredible!!!
>
> ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha
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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Fernando olivero

On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> No just young and fool (like I would like to be)
> We need more people like you to kick our asses.


mariano, i  just wanted to put that old picture!


>
>> nuuuuuu hahahahhaha  Incredible!!!
>>
>> ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha
>>
>


Stef is right,  you are doing a great job in cleaning up the mess!

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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Mariano Martinez Peck
Yes yes! I said in a funny way :)
I couldn't believe you found that picture with exactly that class. That's amazing. Where did you get it ?

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Fernando olivero <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> No just young and fool (like I would like to be)
> We need more people like you to kick our asses.


mariano, i  just wanted to put that old picture!


>
>> nuuuuuu hahahahhaha  Incredible!!!
>>
>> ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha
>>
>


Stef is right,  you are doing a great job in cleaning up the mess!

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Re: Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

Fernando olivero
Actually it wast just a weird coincidence!

I'm preparing a talk in which i have talk about the initial  IDEs, so i had to put some screenshots of Smalltalk-72 and Smalltalk-80.
so i took that one from the book entitled "Inside Smalltalk" ( http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html). 

And imagine my surprise when the subject just came up in the pharo list!  I couldn't resist putting that screen shot!

Saludos,
Fernando

On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

Yes yes! I said in a funny way :)
I couldn't believe you found that picture with exactly that class. That's amazing. Where did you get it ?

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Fernando olivero <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> No just young and fool (like I would like to be)
> We need more people like you to kick our asses.


mariano, i  just wanted to put that old picture!


>
>> nuuuuuu hahahahhaha  Incredible!!!
>>
>> ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha
>>
>


Stef is right,  you are doing a great job in cleaning up the mess!

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