Remove developing with Pharo

Ok, I figured it out.
On the remote machine just start pharo with RFBServer started (connection passwords must be set!)
On the local Windows machine open ssh or putty tunneling local port 5900 to the remote port 5900 (putty -L 5900:localhost:5900 [hidden email]).
After that start a VNC client (in my case I installed TightVNC) and connect to your local machine.
That will automatically establish a tunneled traffic between those two systems va ssh tunneling.

2010/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

I paste a text I got from an old mail:  "The latest version on squeaksource works. You can load it from http://squeaksource.com/RFB (Note that this package has been forked at least three times.) We used to connect to the server with RealVNC with the following settings: ZRLE encoding (disable auto select), Full color. IIRC you should also turn off the "render cursor locally" feature.
On the server you should allow ZRLE and turn off the conserve memory feature.
"

In addition, ask in seaside mailing list too. You will probably receive more help.

Cheers

Mariano

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>

Exactly what VNC slient I can use on Windows?
I tried VNC viewer free (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html), trying to connect to the locally run Pharo and the viewer fails with "uncknown rect encoding" after which Pharo image also freezes.
Is there any step-by-step tutorial how to setup VNC (remote Linux, local Windows)?

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:

> Interesting! Is it done on the X-server side or client?
>

you should have settings in your VNC client.
also, you could set bpp for image.
both could help to run things faster.

> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:
>> > That's right, looks like it sends full-blown images (not the delta, not
>> > the
>> > commands to x-server) and re-drawing takes forever. I wonder if it's a
>> > Pharo
>> > issue or x-server's? My xterm works pretty fast compared to Pharo
>> > though...
>> >
>> lowering the pixel depth to 8bpp helps :)
>>
>> > 2010/5/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]>
>> >>
>> >> I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is nicest
>> >> adjective I can think to use.  Please let us know if VNC is a better
>> >> option.  Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance could be
>> >> telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be
>> >> happening for
>> >> no purpose???  It can be terribly slow, especially the response to
>> >> typing.
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: [hidden email]
>> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> >> Mariano
>> >> Martinez Peck
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM
>> >> To: [hidden email]
>> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>
>> >>>
>> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which
>> >>> I
>> >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh.
>> >>
>> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove"  ?  ;)
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp
>> >> or
>> >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs.
>> >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP,
>> >>> but
>> >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes).
>> >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am
>> >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it
>> >>> remotely via
>> >>> a secure connection.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a
>> >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC
>> >> client
>> >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I
>> >> don't
>> >> know the performance, thus.
>> >>
>> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer)
>> >>
>> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc
>> >>
>> >> To install it:
>> >>
>> >> Gofer it
>> >>  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
>> >>  package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB';
>> >>  load.
>> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion)
>> >> load.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Mariano
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> Andrei
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Pharo-project mailing list
>> >>> [hidden email]
>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Pharo-project mailing list
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Pharo-project mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
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I believe this is a VM issue, not a Pharo issue. What version of the
Linux VM are you using?

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:

> Now when I try to paste some data using Ctl-v only the timestamp gets
> pasted.
> If I use the mouse/menu for pasting it causes a segmentation fault:
> Segmentation fault
>
> 2048644700 Clipboard>clipboardText
> 2048644608 >clipboardText
> 2048644516 ParagraphEditor>clipboardText
> 2048644224 ParagraphEditor>paste
> 2048644120 PluggableTextMorph>paste
> 2048644028 PluggableTextMorph>handleEdit:
> 2048637408 TextMorph>handleEdit:
> 2048622240 PluggableTextMorph>handleEdit:
> 2048622148 PluggableTextMorph>paste
> 2048622056 Object>perform:orSendTo:
> 2048621652 MenuItemMorph>invokeWithEvent:
> 2048621560 BlockClosure>ensure:
> 2048620520 Cursor>showWhile:
> 2048350296 MenuItemMorph>invokeWithEvent:
> 2048350204 MenuItemMorph>mouseUp:
> 2048350112 MenuItemMorph>handleMouseUp:
> 2048349976 MouseButtonEvent>sentTo:
> 2048349884 Morph>handleEvent:
> 2048349792 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchDefault:with:
> 2048349700 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with:
> 2048349608 Morph>processEvent:using:
> 2048349516 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchDefault:with:
> 2048349408 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with:
> 2048349272 Morph>processEvent:using:
> 2048349180 Morph>processEvent:
> 2048349088 MenuMorph>handleFocusEvent:
> 2048348996 HandMorph>sendFocusEvent:to:clear:
> 2048348904 PasteUpMorph>becomeActiveDuring:
> 2048348736 BlockClosure>on:do:
> 2048348644 PasteUpMorph>becomeActiveDuring:
> 2048348472 HandMorph>sendFocusEvent:to:clear:
> 2048348368 HandMorph>sendEvent:focus:clear:
> 2048348276 HandMorph>sendMouseEvent:
> 2048348184 HandMorph>handleEvent:
> 2048347916 HandMorph>processEvents
> 2048347808 WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor:
> 2048347716 SequenceableCollection>do:
> 2048347624 WorldState>handsDo:
> 2048347532 WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor:
> 2048347040 WorldState>doOneCycleFor:
> 2048346948 WorldState>doOneSubCycleFor:
> 2048346856 PasteUpMorph>doOneSubCycle
> 2048230916 MenuMorph>invokeModalAt:in:allowKeyboard:
> 2048230824 MenuMorph>invokeModal:
> 2048230720 MenuMorph>invokeModal
> 2048214088 PluggableTextMorph>yellowButtonActivity:
> 2048213996 ScrollPane>mouseDown:
> 2048213904 Morph>handleMouseDown:
> 2048213812 MouseButtonEvent>sentTo:
> 2048213720 Morph>handleEvent:
> 2048213540 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with:
> 2048213448 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with:
> 2048213356 Morph>processEvent:using:
> 2048213220 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with:
> 2048213128 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with:
> 2048213036 Morph>processEvent:using:
> 2048212944 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with:
> 2048212852 MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with:
> 2048212744 Morph>processEvent:using:
> 2048212652 PasteUpMorph>processEvent:using:
> 2048212488 Morph>processEvent:
> 2048212396 HandMorph>sendEvent:focus:clear:
> 2048212304 HandMorph>sendMouseEvent:
> 2048212212 HandMorph>handleEvent:
> 2048212120 HandMorph>processEvents
> 2048212012 WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor:
> 2048211920 SequenceableCollection>do:
> 2048211828 WorldState>handsDo:
> 2048211736 WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor:
> 2048211572 WorldState>doOneCycleFor:
> 2048211480 PasteUpMorph>doOneCycle
> 2011450676 >?
> 2011450548 BlockClosure>?
>
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I figured it out.
>> On the remote machine just start pharo with RFBServer started (connection
>> passwords must be set!)
>> On the local Windows machine open ssh or putty tunneling local port 5900
>> to the remote port 5900 (putty -L 5900:localhost:5900 [hidden email]).
>> After that start a VNC client (in my case I installed TightVNC) and
>> connect to your local machine.
>> That will automatically establish a tunneled traffic between those two
>> systems va ssh tunneling.
>>
>>
>> 2010/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> I paste a text I got from an old mail:  "The latest version on
>>> squeaksource works. You can load it from http://squeaksource.com/RFB (Note
>>> that this package has been forked at least three times.) We used to connect
>>> to the server with RealVNC with the following settings: ZRLE encoding
>>> (disable auto select), Full color. IIRC you should also turn off the "render
>>> cursor locally" feature.
>>> On the server you should allow ZRLE and turn off the conserve memory
>>> feature.
>>> "
>>>
>>> In addition, ask in seaside mailing list too. You will probably receive
>>> more help.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Mariano
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> Exactly what VNC slient I can use on Windows?
>>>> I tried VNC viewer free
>>>> (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html), trying to
>>>> connect to the locally run Pharo and the viewer fails with "uncknown rect
>>>> encoding" after which Pharo image also freezes.
>>>> Is there any step-by-step tutorial how to setup VNC (remote Linux, local
>>>> Windows)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:
>>>>> > Interesting! Is it done on the X-server side or client?
>>>>> >
>>>>> you should have settings in your VNC client.
>>>>> also, you could set bpp for image.
>>>>> both could help to run things faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:
>>>>> >> > That's right, looks like it sends full-blown images (not the
>>>>> >> > delta, not
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > commands to x-server) and re-drawing takes forever. I wonder if
>>>>> >> > it's a
>>>>> >> > Pharo
>>>>> >> > issue or x-server's? My xterm works pretty fast compared to Pharo
>>>>> >> > though...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> lowering the pixel depth to 8bpp helps :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > 2010/5/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is
>>>>> >> >> nicest
>>>>> >> >> adjective I can think to use.  Please let us know if VNC is a
>>>>> >> >> better
>>>>> >> >> option.  Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance
>>>>> >> >> could be
>>>>> >> >> telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be
>>>>> >> >> happening for
>>>>> >> >> no purpose???  It can be terribly slow, especially the response
>>>>> >> >> to
>>>>> >> >> typing.
>>>>> >> >> Bill
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> ________________________________
>>>>> >> >> From: [hidden email]
>>>>> >> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>>>>> >> >> Mariano
>>>>> >> >> Martinez Peck
>>>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM
>>>>> >> >> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to
>>>>> >> >>> which
>>>>> >> >>> I
>>>>> >> >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove"  ?  ;)
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and
>>>>> >> >> with scp
>>>>> >> >> or
>>>>> >> >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the
>>>>> >> >> server ?
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs.
>>>>> >> >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on
>>>>> >> >>> WinXP,
>>>>> >> >>> but
>>>>> >> >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few
>>>>> >> >>> minutes).
>>>>> >> >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside
>>>>> >> >>> (I am
>>>>> >> >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it
>>>>> >> >>> remotely via
>>>>> >> >>> a secure connection.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can
>>>>> >> >> take a
>>>>> >> >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any
>>>>> >> >> VNC
>>>>> >> >> client
>>>>> >> >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you
>>>>> >> >> want. I
>>>>> >> >> don't
>>>>> >> >> know the performance, thus.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer)
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> To install it:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Gofer it
>>>>> >> >>  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
>>>>> >> >>  package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB';
>>>>> >> >>  load.
>>>>> >> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform:
>>>>> >> >> #latestVersion)
>>>>> >> >> load.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Cheers
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Mariano
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Thank you,
>>>>> >> >>> Andrei
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> >> >>> [hidden email]
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> >> >> [hidden email]
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> > Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> >> > [hidden email]
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>> >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> >> [hidden email]
>>>>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> > [hidden email]
>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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Andrei: Once you have finished to make it work and how to tune it to make it faster, it would be great if you can write this in a section/chaper of the collaborative pharo book:   http://book.pharo-project.org/

If you want I can creat you a user, and the section...then you only need to write ;)

cheers

mariano

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>

Ok, I figured it out.
On the remote machine just start pharo with RFBServer started (connection passwords must be set!)
On the local Windows machine open ssh or putty tunneling local port 5900 to the remote port 5900 (putty -L 5900:localhost:5900 [hidden email]).
After that start a VNC client (in my case I installed TightVNC) and connect to your local machine.
That will automatically establish a tunneled traffic between those two systems va ssh tunneling.

2010/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

I paste a text I got from an old mail:  "The latest version on squeaksource works. You can load it from http://squeaksource.com/RFB (Note that this package has been forked at least three times.) We used to connect to the server with RealVNC with the following settings: ZRLE encoding (disable auto select), Full color. IIRC you should also turn off the "render cursor locally" feature.
On the server you should allow ZRLE and turn off the conserve memory feature.
"

In addition, ask in seaside mailing list too. You will probably receive more help.

Cheers

Mariano

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>

Exactly what VNC slient I can use on Windows?
I tried VNC viewer free (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html), trying to connect to the locally run Pharo and the viewer fails with "uncknown rect encoding" after which Pharo image also freezes.
Is there any step-by-step tutorial how to setup VNC (remote Linux, local Windows)?

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:

> Interesting! Is it done on the X-server side or client?
>

you should have settings in your VNC client.
also, you could set bpp for image.
both could help to run things faster.

> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:
>> > That's right, looks like it sends full-blown images (not the delta, not
>> > the
>> > commands to x-server) and re-drawing takes forever. I wonder if it's a
>> > Pharo
>> > issue or x-server's? My xterm works pretty fast compared to Pharo
>> > though...
>> >
>> lowering the pixel depth to 8bpp helps :)
>>
>> > 2010/5/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]>
>> >>
>> >> I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is nicest
>> >> adjective I can think to use.  Please let us know if VNC is a better
>> >> option.  Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance could be
>> >> telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be
>> >> happening for
>> >> no purpose???  It can be terribly slow, especially the response to
>> >> typing.
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: [hidden email]
>> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> >> Mariano
>> >> Martinez Peck
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM
>> >> To: [hidden email]
>> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>
>> >>>
>> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which
>> >>> I
>> >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh.
>> >>
>> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove"  ?  ;)
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp
>> >> or
>> >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs.
>> >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP,
>> >>> but
>> >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes).
>> >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am
>> >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it
>> >>> remotely via
>> >>> a secure connection.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a
>> >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC
>> >> client
>> >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I
>> >> don't
>> >> know the performance, thus.
>> >>
>> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer)
>> >>
>> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc
>> >>
>> >> To install it:
>> >>
>> >> Gofer it
>> >>  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
>> >>  package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB';
>> >>  load.
>> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion)
>> >> load.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Mariano
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> Andrei
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Pharo-project mailing list
>> >>> [hidden email]
>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Pharo-project mailing list
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Pharo-project mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
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Andrei: Once you have finished to make it work and how to tune it to make it faster, it would be great if you can write this in a section/chaper of the collaborative pharo book:   http://book.pharo-project.org/

If you want I can creat you a user, and the section...then you only need to write ;)

cheers

mariano

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>

Ok, I figured it out.
On the remote machine just start pharo with RFBServer started (connection passwords must be set!)
On the local Windows machine open ssh or putty tunneling local port 5900 to the remote port 5900 (putty -L 5900:localhost:5900 [hidden email]).
After that start a VNC client (in my case I installed TightVNC) and connect to your local machine.
That will automatically establish a tunneled traffic between those two systems va ssh tunneling.

2010/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

I paste a text I got from an old mail:  "The latest version on squeaksource works. You can load it from http://squeaksource.com/RFB (Note that this package has been forked at least three times.) We used to connect to the server with RealVNC with the following settings: ZRLE encoding (disable auto select), Full color. IIRC you should also turn off the "render cursor locally" feature.
On the server you should allow ZRLE and turn off the conserve memory feature.
"

In addition, ask in seaside mailing list too. You will probably receive more help.

Cheers

Mariano

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>

Exactly what VNC slient I can use on Windows?
I tried VNC viewer free (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html), trying to connect to the locally run Pharo and the viewer fails with "uncknown rect encoding" after which Pharo image also freezes.
Is there any step-by-step tutorial how to setup VNC (remote Linux, local Windows)?

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:

> Interesting! Is it done on the X-server side or client?
>

you should have settings in your VNC client.
also, you could set bpp for image.
both could help to run things faster.

> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:
>> > That's right, looks like it sends full-blown images (not the delta, not
>> > the
>> > commands to x-server) and re-drawing takes forever. I wonder if it's a
>> > Pharo
>> > issue or x-server's? My xterm works pretty fast compared to Pharo
>> > though...
>> >
>> lowering the pixel depth to 8bpp helps :)
>>
>> > 2010/5/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]>
>> >>
>> >> I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is nicest
>> >> adjective I can think to use.  Please let us know if VNC is a better
>> >> option.  Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance could be
>> >> telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be
>> >> happening for
>> >> no purpose???  It can be terribly slow, especially the response to
>> >> typing.
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: [hidden email]
>> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> >> Mariano
>> >> Martinez Peck
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM
>> >> To: [hidden email]
>> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>
>> >>>
>> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which
>> >>> I
>> >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh.
>> >>
>> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove"  ?  ;)
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp
>> >> or
>> >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs.
>> >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP,
>> >>> but
>> >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes).
>> >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am
>> >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it
>> >>> remotely via
>> >>> a secure connection.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a
>> >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC
>> >> client
>> >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I
>> >> don't
>> >> know the performance, thus.
>> >>
>> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer)
>> >>
>> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc
>> >>
>> >> To install it:
>> >>
>> >> Gofer it
>> >>  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
>> >>  package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB';
>> >>  load.
>> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion)
>> >> load.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Mariano
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> Andrei
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>> [hidden email]
>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>> >
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>> > [hidden email]
>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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I created a chapter called "Remote Development" under the "Tips and Tricks" chapter.
Here is the link: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/TipsAndTricks/RemoteDevelopment/?_s=q1YO5C7aEDQ6MqD3&_k=pLWYn4T5TuKAVPgt

2010/5/16 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

Andrei: Once you have finished to make it work and how to tune it to make it faster, it would be great if you can write this in a section/chaper of the collaborative pharo book:   http://book.pharo-project.org/

If you want I can creat you a user, and the section...then you only need to write ;)

cheers

mariano

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>

Ok, I figured it out.
On the remote machine just start pharo with RFBServer started (connection passwords must be set!)
On the local Windows machine open ssh or putty tunneling local port 5900 to the remote port 5900 (putty -L 5900:localhost:5900 [hidden email]).
After that start a VNC client (in my case I installed TightVNC) and connect to your local machine.
That will automatically establish a tunneled traffic between those two systems va ssh tunneling.

2010/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>

I paste a text I got from an old mail:  "The latest version on squeaksource works. You can load it from http://squeaksource.com/RFB (Note that this package has been forked at least three times.) We used to connect to the server with RealVNC with the following settings: ZRLE encoding (disable auto select), Full color. IIRC you should also turn off the "render cursor locally" feature.
On the server you should allow ZRLE and turn off the conserve memory feature.
"

In addition, ask in seaside mailing list too. You will probably receive more help.

Cheers

Mariano

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>

Exactly what VNC slient I can use on Windows?
I tried VNC viewer free (http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html), trying to connect to the locally run Pharo and the viewer fails with "uncknown rect encoding" after which Pharo image also freezes.
Is there any step-by-step tutorial how to setup VNC (remote Linux, local Windows)?

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:

> Interesting! Is it done on the X-server side or client?
>

you should have settings in your VNC client.
also, you could set bpp for image.
both could help to run things faster.

> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>:
>> > That's right, looks like it sends full-blown images (not the delta, not
>> > the
>> > commands to x-server) and re-drawing takes forever. I wonder if it's a
>> > Pharo
>> > issue or x-server's? My xterm works pretty fast compared to Pharo
>> > though...
>> >
>> lowering the pixel depth to 8bpp helps :)
>>
>> > 2010/5/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]>
>> >>
>> >> I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is nicest
>> >> adjective I can think to use.  Please let us know if VNC is a better
>> >> option.  Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance could be
>> >> telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be
>> >> happening for
>> >> no purpose???  It can be terribly slow, especially the response to
>> >> typing.
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: [hidden email]
>> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> >> Mariano
>> >> Martinez Peck
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM
>> >> To: [hidden email]
>> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <[hidden email]>
>> >>>
>> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which
>> >>> I
>> >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh.
>> >>
>> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove"  ?  ;)
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp
>> >> or
>> >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs.
>> >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP,
>> >>> but
>> >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes).
>> >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am
>> >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it
>> >>> remotely via
>> >>> a secure connection.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a
>> >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC
>> >> client
>> >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I
>> >> don't
>> >> know the performance, thus.
>> >>
>> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer)
>> >>
>> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc
>> >>
>> >> To install it:
>> >>
>> >> Gofer it
>> >>  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
>> >>  package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB';
>> >>  load.
>> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion)
>> >> load.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Mariano
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> Andrei
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Pharo-project mailing list
>> >>> [hidden email]
>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Pharo-project mailing list
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>> >
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>> > [hidden email]
>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
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