Returning to Smalltalk, learning Seaside, some observations and questions.
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Returning to Smalltalk, learning Seaside, some observations and questions.
 
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I like Seaside; so much that I'd like to raise some questions about co-lateral items like documentation, the website, and books. My background: I've been programming "forever". I first saw Smalltalk demoed at PARC back in the seventies. I've flirted with it for years, and was blown away by Seaside as well when I first ran across it years ago. For a variety of reasons I'm picking it up again after a half dozen years. A lot has changed for both Seaside and Pharo since I last looked, so I decided it'd be worth my time to try to bring a "beginner's mind" to it, and work through the website, community resources, documentation, etc. In short, I'm a fan. I don't want to offend anyone with these questions... perhaps it's just my ignorance, but I'd like to help fix some problems I noticed as a new user coming to the Seaside site. Here's what I notice: - Seaside, itself, is obviously under active development by some really smart people. - Is the website not maintained? I lot of stuff looks WAY out of date. Most of the listed Blogs have changed their focus from Seaside, or are defunct, or haven't been updated in five or six years. The "Success Stories" are stale by years. Ditto for much of the "Projects" list. - "The Book" (Dynamic Web Developmment with Seaside) appears to be stalled. Early in the book it says, "The online version is always up-to-date and permits readers to add notes at the bottom of every page." This appears to not be the case (not up-to-date, and I see no way to put comments/notes/questions anywhere). The "First Component in 15 Minutes" section references what seems to be an old version of Pharo: different terminology, different menus. (I am using the 1 click package with Pharo and Seaside.) - The Seaside email list seems to get some good traffic. Is there any way to search the archives for topics? (I don't see any way; my suspicion is that there's gold in the archives, if there was only a way to find it.) - How would one go about helping with getting/keeping the book / website up-to-date? - Has there been any thought to using a forum (or Google Groups) as a more efficient medium than a mail list for recording and making available information and answers to questions? Again, I know that having a new person come into a community and immediately start complaining is a drag -- in a big way! That's not my intent... I plan to persist along my own path, but maybe I'm overlooking something? I'd really like improve my own familiarity with Seaside and perhaps, at the same time, help make it be more accessible to those who are not already old hands. Any suggestions or insights would be welcome. -SteveB _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Returning to Smalltalk, learning Seaside, some observations and questions.
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Hi Steve,
Welcome back ;) First off, your observations are correct about the website, documentation, etc… These areas need work. There’s work in progress but it advances slowly. A lot of things have now also moved to github: https://github.com/SeasideSt (see the Seaside project wiki there). Of course, the idea is that the Seaside website references this. You can search the Seaside mailinglist archives here: http://forum.world.st/Seaside-General-f86180.html A couple of people are maintaining the code and making small increments and advances. There’s room for more hands to help, so we welcome anyone who can join the effort. cheers Johan
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