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Sean P. DeNigris

Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

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How do I get the example browser working (i.e. drawing the visualizations instead of inspecting them) in Pharo 4.0? I loaded Roassal2 stable per https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/QuickStart/0101-QuickStart.html . Thanks!

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Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

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Sean P. DeNigris wrote

How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they displayed so small?

Cheers,
Sean

Tudor Girba-2

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved.

Cheers,

Doru

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sean P. DeNigris wrote
> How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they
displayed so small?

<http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png>

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Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

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> They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny
Of course! That explains my next discovery - when you zoom in on them, they get really blurry.

Cheers,
Sean

abergel

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

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Hi Sean!

I do not understand. What is displayed small?

On your screenshot, you have a thumbnail. Click on it to have the large rendering.

Is this what you meant?

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On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sean P. DeNigris wrote
How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they
displayed so small?

<http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png>

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abergel

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

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Yes. But we will soon bump into a problem: Roassal2.mcz is large of 10Mb.

It makes loading and saving a bit slow. Having larger pictures will increase the problem.

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:47 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved.

Cheers,
Doru

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
> How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they
displayed so small?

<http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png>

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Tudor Girba-2

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

I meant to say that we should have a solution that can render examples live :)

Doru

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Yes. But we will soon bump into a problem: Roassal2.mcz is large of 10Mb.
It makes loading and saving a bit slow. Having larger pictures will increase the problem.

Cheers,
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:47 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved.

Cheers,
Doru

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
> How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they
displayed so small?

<http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png>

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abergel

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web).

We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image.

Alexandre

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

I meant to say that we should have a solution that can render examples live :)

Doru

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes. But we will soon bump into a problem: Roassal2.mcz is large of 10Mb.
It makes loading and saving a bit slow. Having larger pictures will increase the problem.

Cheers,
Alexandre
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:47 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

That is a good question :). They are saved as images for now, and those images are really tiny. This should be improved.

Cheers,
Doru

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
> How do I get the example browser... drawing the visualizations

Okay, I loaded Glamour stable and it's working. New question: why are they
displayed so small?

<http://forum.world.st/file/n4813040/Screenshot_2015-03-18_21.png>

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Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:38 AM, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web).
> We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image.
Something like generate and cache on first view?

If necessary, maybe even fork in background when the example browser is opened for the first time. If you could list the slower ones further down, that would help...

Cheers,
Sean

abergel

Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo

Could be a good solution. We have to see...

Alexandre

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:38 AM, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <<a href="x-msg://188/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4813234&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external" class="">[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ok, but some examples take time to render (e.g., some are fetching data from the web).
> We can always generate the thumbnail on the fly, but this slow the image.
Something like generate and cache on first view?

If necessary, maybe even fork in background when the example browser is opened for the first time. If you could list the slower ones further down, that would help...

Cheers,
Sean

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Sean P. DeNigris

Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

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It took quite a bit of investigating to figure out that I had to load Glamour stable to render RTViews inside GT Inspector. Maybe we should load them by default in Pharo 4.0 in ConfigurationOfRoassal2?

Cheers,
Sean

Tudor Girba-2

Re: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

Hi,

Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?

For Pharo 4.0, you should load Glamour #development.

Cheers,

Doru

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

It took quite a bit of investigating to figure out that I had to load Glamour
stable to render RTViews inside GT Inspector. Maybe we should load them by
default in Pharo 4.0 in ConfigurationOfRoassal2?

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Re: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

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> Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?
I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after searching and figuring out where they lived)

Cheers,
Sean

Peter Uhnak

Re: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead of loading two independent libraries... something like

ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters.

ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters.

(I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.)

I think it would be welcome addition.

Peter

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?
I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after searching and figuring out where they lived)

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

Le 30/03/2015 21:22, Peter Uhnák a écrit :
> I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead of
> loading two independent libraries... something like
>
> ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters.

This one is easy.

> or
> ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters.

I think this one would work as well.

> (I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.)

Well, it is often not Metacello the issue, it has more to do with the
fact that dependencies in configurations may be hard to set up.

> I think it would be welcome addition.

I have been tempted to fork Roassal on github at times (sorry Alexandre
:)) just to have - a correct Roassal2 for Pharo 3, and, yes, all the
dependencies setup right.

This would be especially easy, because: git merge would take care of
merging back Roassal2 developments inside the Pharo 3 branch (with the
old example browser) probably without any conflicts, and a simple
baseline would fetch the latest Roassal nicely, since we allways load
the development version directly.

Thierry

> Peter
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> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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> > Could you be more specific? In what Pharo version are you?
> I loaded Roassal2 stable into Pharo 4.0 but didn’t get the
> presenters, so I had to load Glamour stable to get them (after
> searching and figuring out where they lived)
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
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Re: Suggestion: Load Presenters with Roassal (was Re: Roassal Example Browser in Pharo)

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On 30/03/15 21:22, Peter Uhnák wrote:
> I think the idea would be to have option to load it in one go instead
> of loading two independent libraries... something like
>
> ConfigurationOfRoassal loadWithPresenters.
> or
> ConfigurationOfRoassal load; loadPresenters.
>
> (I'm not sure if either of those are possible with Meta(monti)cello.

Yes, that is easy to do with Metacello. It requires using
groups. Setting up groups is easy, maintaining them less so, as
they are not yet first-class citizens. It is difficult to find out which
groups of which configurations are loaded and tool support is
insufficient. Retiring groups currently doesn't work correctly.

Stephan
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