Roassal edgesToAll:

> Alex,
>
> When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
> Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
>
> view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
> view shape rectangle size:20.
> view nodes: #(1 2 3).
> view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
> view edgesToAll: #(2).
> view forceBasedLayout.
> view open.
>
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> The one edge I suppose not to be created is edge 2->2.
>
> Cheers,
> Jura
>
>
> 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> I have a question: The example made by Usman creates 3 edges. I expected 2. What is right solution? Is it responsibility of user or should I check it in method #rawEdgesToAll: and create just 2 edges?
>
> Cheers,
> Jura
>
>
> 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> Hi,
>
> you are right, I am going to fix it.
>
> Cheers,
> Jura
>
>
> 2013/5/3 Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]>
> Alex,
>
> When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
> Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
>
> view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
> view shape rectangle size:20.
> view nodes: #(1 2 3).
> view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
> view edgesToAll: #(2).
> view forceBasedLayout.
> view open.
>
>
> Usman
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> All other methods in Roassal do not create 2->2 edges. This was only one. I think there is no visualisation support for such edges.
>
> Cheers,
> Jura
>
>
> 2013/5/6 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> Hi,
>
> Not really. When we say edgesToAll: we mean to draw edges from all nodes to all computed nodes. So, 2->2 is part of it, too. For a different behavior we should introduce another utility method.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
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>
> "Every thing has its own flow."
>
> On 06.05.2013, at 18:28, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I will fix it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jura
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/6 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
>> Your right Juraj, we should not have the edge 2->2.
>> Would you mind to write a couple of tests and fix this problem please?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>> On May 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > The one edge I suppose not to be created is edge 2->2.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jura
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
>> > I have a question: The example made by Usman creates 3 edges. I expected 2. What is right solution? Is it responsibility of user or should I check it in method #rawEdgesToAll: and create just 2 edges?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jura
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > you are right, I am going to fix it.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jura
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/5/3 Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]>
>> > Alex,
>> >
>> > When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
>> > Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
>> >
>> > view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
>> > view shape rectangle size:20.
>> > view nodes: #(1 2 3).
>> > view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
>> > view edgesToAll: #(2).
>> > view forceBasedLayout.
>> > view open.
>> >
>> >
>> > Usman
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> But we could imagine a special shape that draw such edges.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On May 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> All other methods in Roassal do not create 2->2 edges. This was only one. I think there is no visualisation support for such edges.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jura
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/6 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Not really. When we say edgesToAll: we mean to draw edges from all nodes to all computed nodes. So, 2->2 is part of it, too. For a different behavior we should introduce another utility method.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>
>> "Every thing has its own flow."
>>
>> On 06.05.2013, at 18:28, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I will fix it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jura
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/6 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
>>> Your right Juraj, we should not have the edge 2->2.
>>> Would you mind to write a couple of tests and fix this problem please?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The one edge I suppose not to be created is edge 2->2.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
>>>> I have a question: The example made by Usman creates 3 edges. I expected 2. What is right solution? Is it responsibility of user or should I check it in method #rawEdgesToAll: and create just 2 edges?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> you are right, I am going to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/3 Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]>
>>>> Alex,
>>>>
>>>> When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
>>>> Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
>>>>
>>>> view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
>>>> view shape rectangle size:20.
>>>> view nodes: #(1 2 3).
>>>> view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
>>>> view edgesToAll: #(2).
>>>> view forceBasedLayout.
>>>> view open.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Usman
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> How do you mean "special shape"? Would it work in this example?:
>
> ---
> view shape rectangle size: 20.
> view nodes: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> view shape line color: Color green.
> view edgesToAll: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> view circleLayout.
> ---
>
> So every node will have 4 green edges to other node and 1 green edge to itself.
> I think we should also consider that in that example we cannot see two lines: one 1->2 and other 2->1. Should we take care of it and instead of two direct lines use, for example, bezier lines with different configuration?

>
>
> 2013/5/7 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> But we could imagine a special shape that draw such edges.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On May 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > All other methods in Roassal do not create 2->2 edges. This was only one. I think there is no visualisation support for such edges.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jura
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/6 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Not really. When we say edgesToAll: we mean to draw edges from all nodes to all computed nodes. So, 2->2 is part of it, too. For a different behavior we should introduce another utility method.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow."
> >
> > On 06.05.2013, at 18:28, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I will fix it.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jura
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/5/6 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> >> Your right Juraj, we should not have the edge 2->2.
> >> Would you mind to write a couple of tests and fix this problem please?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Alexandre
> >>
> >> On May 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The one edge I suppose not to be created is edge 2->2.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Jura
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> >> > I have a question: The example made by Usman creates 3 edges. I expected 2. What is right solution? Is it responsibility of user or should I check it in method #rawEdgesToAll: and create just 2 edges?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Jura
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > you are right, I am going to fix it.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Jura
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/5/3 Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]>
> >> > Alex,
> >> >
> >> > When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
> >> > Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
> >> >
> >> > view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
> >> > view shape rectangle size:20.
> >> > view nodes: #(1 2 3).
> >> > view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
> >> > view edgesToAll: #(2).
> >> > view forceBasedLayout.
> >> > view open.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Usman
> >> >
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> Yes, I think it would be better to display 2->2 lines.
>
> How do you mean "special shape"? Would it work in this example?:
>
> ---
> view shape rectangle size: 20.
> view nodes: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> view shape line color: Color green.
> view edgesToAll: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> view circleLayout.
> ---
>
> So every node will have 4 green edges to other node and 1 green edge to itself.
> I think we should also consider that in that example we cannot see two lines: one 1->2 and other 2->1. Should we take care of it and instead of two direct lines use, for example, bezier lines with different configuration?
>
> I think user should see it.
>
> Cheers,
> Jura
>
>
> 2013/5/7 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> But we could imagine a special shape that draw such edges.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On May 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > All other methods in Roassal do not create 2->2 edges. This was only one. I think there is no visualisation support for such edges.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jura
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/6 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Not really. When we say edgesToAll: we mean to draw edges from all nodes to all computed nodes. So, 2->2 is part of it, too. For a different behavior we should introduce another utility method.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Every thing has its own flow."
> >
> > On 06.05.2013, at 18:28, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I will fix it.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jura
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/5/6 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> >> Your right Juraj, we should not have the edge 2->2.
> >> Would you mind to write a couple of tests and fix this problem please?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Alexandre
> >>
> >> On May 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The one edge I suppose not to be created is edge 2->2.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Jura
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> >> > I have a question: The example made by Usman creates 3 edges. I expected 2. What is right solution? Is it responsibility of user or should I check it in method #rawEdgesToAll: and create just 2 edges?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Jura
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > you are right, I am going to fix it.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Jura
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/5/3 Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]>
> >> > Alex,
> >> >
> >> > When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
> >> > Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
> >> >
> >> > view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
> >> > view shape rectangle size:20.
> >> > view nodes: #(1 2 3).
> >> > view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
> >> > view edgesToAll: #(2).
> >> > view forceBasedLayout.
> >> > view open.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Usman
> >> >
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> Hi All,
>
> Yes indeed, I am very interested in this. Well, I already hacked together a way to display lines of opposite directions, but if this concept could be generalized and integrated into Roassal (by someone with better knowledge of Roassal then me :)), that would be very cool.
>
> What I did is I created the class QSLine which has a offset property. This property simple offsets the line from its attachment point.
>
> In my layout builder (QSVisualizer), I go through all edges and bundle them together as "bundled edges" by looking at all sources and destinations.
>
> If such a bundle has more than one edge (meaning it has two edges going in opposite directions to the same two nodes), I offset the lines of these edges in opposite directions. This has to be done outside of QSLine, since the lines don't and shouldn't know if they have a "twin".
>
> All of the code can be found in the Quicksilver-UI Package.
>
> Quicksilver can be loaded in the following way:
>
> Gofer new
>         smalltalkhubUser: 'Quicksilver' project: 'Quicksilver';
>         package: 'ConfigurationOfQuicksilver';
>         load.
> ConfigurationOfQuicksilver loadDefault.
>
> The code where I bundle the edges together and offset them, can be found in:
>
> QSVisualizer:edgesFor: nodes view: view
>
> QSLine can also be found in the Quicksilver-UI Package. It is a subclass of ROLine.
>
> Cheers,
> Dennis
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Yes, I think it would be better to display 2->2 lines.
>
> Currently we cannot render 2->2 lines, but it would not be complicated to add a particular line shape for this.
>
> >
> > How do you mean "special shape"? Would it work in this example?:
> >
> > ---
> > view shape rectangle size: 20.
> > view nodes: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> > view shape line color: Color green.
> > view edgesToAll: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> > view circleLayout.
> > ---
> >
> > So every node will have 4 green edges to other node and 1 green edge to itself.
> > I think we should also consider that in that example we cannot see two lines: one 1->2 and other 2->1. Should we take care of it and instead of two direct lines use, for example, bezier lines with different configuration?
>
> I agree that ideally we should be able to see two lines 1->2 and 2->1. Currently we cannot because we do not have the appropriate shapes for this.
>
> > I think user should see it.
>
> Yes. There is several way to do this. As Softwarenaut does, is to have an offset.
> By the way, scg guys, you never asked for such a thing? Now is a good moment for shouting :-)
>
> Alexandre
>
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/7 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > But we could imagine a special shape that draw such edges.
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > On May 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > All other methods in Roassal do not create 2->2 edges. This was only one. I think there is no visualisation support for such edges.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jura
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/5/6 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Not really. When we say edgesToAll: we mean to draw edges from all nodes to all computed nodes. So, 2->2 is part of it, too. For a different behavior we should introduce another utility method.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> > >
> > > --
> > > www.tudorgirba.com
> > >
> > > "Every thing has its own flow."
> > >
> > > On 06.05.2013, at 18:28, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes, I will fix it.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Jura
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/5/6 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > >> Your right Juraj, we should not have the edge 2->2.
> > >> Would you mind to write a couple of tests and fix this problem please?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Alexandre
> > >>
> > >> On May 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The one edge I suppose not to be created is edge 2->2.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Jura
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> > >> > I have a question: The example made by Usman creates 3 edges. I expected 2. What is right solution? Is it responsibility of user or should I check it in method #rawEdgesToAll: and create just 2 edges?
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Jura
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > you are right, I am going to fix it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Jura
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/5/3 Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]>
> > >> > Alex,
> > >> >
> > >> > When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
> > >> > Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
> > >> >
> > >> > view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
> > >> > view shape rectangle size:20.
> > >> > view nodes: #(1 2 3).
> > >> > view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
> > >> > view edgesToAll: #(2).
> > >> > view forceBasedLayout.
> > >> > view open.
> > >> >
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> Hi All,
>
> Yes indeed, I am very interested in this. Well, I already hacked together a way to display lines of opposite directions, but if this concept could be generalized and integrated into Roassal (by someone with better knowledge of Roassal then me :)), that would be very cool.
>
> What I did is I created the class QSLine which has a offset property. This property simple offsets the line from its attachment point.
>
> In my layout builder (QSVisualizer), I go through all edges and bundle them together as "bundled edges" by looking at all sources and destinations.
>
> If such a bundle has more than one edge (meaning it has two edges going in opposite directions to the same two nodes), I offset the lines of these edges in opposite directions. This has to be done outside of QSLine, since the lines don't and shouldn't know if they have a "twin".
>
> All of the code can be found in the Quicksilver-UI Package.
>
> Quicksilver can be loaded in the following way:
>
> Gofer new
>         smalltalkhubUser: 'Quicksilver' project: 'Quicksilver';
>         package: 'ConfigurationOfQuicksilver';
>         load.
> ConfigurationOfQuicksilver loadDefault.
>
> The code where I bundle the edges together and offset them, can be found in:
>
> QSVisualizer:edgesFor: nodes view: view
>
> QSLine can also be found in the Quicksilver-UI Package. It is a subclass of ROLine.
>
> Cheers,
> Dennis
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Yes, I think it would be better to display 2->2 lines.
>
> Currently we cannot render 2->2 lines, but it would not be complicated to add a particular line shape for this.
>
> >
> > How do you mean "special shape"? Would it work in this example?:
> >
> > ---
> > view shape rectangle size: 20.
> > view nodes: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> > view shape line color: Color green.
> > view edgesToAll: #(1 2 3 4 5).
> > view circleLayout.
> > ---
> >
> > So every node will have 4 green edges to other node and 1 green edge to itself.
> > I think we should also consider that in that example we cannot see two lines: one 1->2 and other 2->1. Should we take care of it and instead of two direct lines use, for example, bezier lines with different configuration?
>
> I agree that ideally we should be able to see two lines 1->2 and 2->1. Currently we cannot because we do not have the appropriate shapes for this.
>
> > I think user should see it.
>
> Yes. There is several way to do this. As Softwarenaut does, is to have an offset.
> By the way, scg guys, you never asked for such a thing? Now is a good moment for shouting :-)
>
> Alexandre
>
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/7 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > But we could imagine a special shape that draw such edges.
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > On May 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > All other methods in Roassal do not create 2->2 edges. This was only one. I think there is no visualisation support for such edges.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jura
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/5/6 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Not really. When we say edgesToAll: we mean to draw edges from all nodes to all computed nodes. So, 2->2 is part of it, too. For a different behavior we should introduce another utility method.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
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> > > "Every thing has its own flow."
> > >
> > > On 06.05.2013, at 18:28, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes, I will fix it.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Jura
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/5/6 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > >> Your right Juraj, we should not have the edge 2->2.
> > >> Would you mind to write a couple of tests and fix this problem please?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Alexandre
> > >>
> > >> On May 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The one edge I suppose not to be created is edge 2->2.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Jura
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> > >> > I have a question: The example made by Usman creates 3 edges. I expected 2. What is right solution? Is it responsibility of user or should I check it in method #rawEdgesToAll: and create just 2 edges?
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Jura
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/5/3 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > you are right, I am going to fix it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Jura
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/5/3 Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]>
> > >> > Alex,
> > >> >
> > >> > When using ROMondrianViewBuilder >> edgesToAll: the direction of the edges is reversed. For example, in the script below, I am telling Roassal to draw edges to 2 but its drawing edges from 2.
> > >> > Can you please confirm and correct, if need be.
> > >> >
> > >> > view := ROMondrianViewBuilder new.
> > >> > view shape rectangle size:20.
> > >> > view nodes: #(1 2 3).
> > >> > view shape arrowedLine color: Color red.
> > >> > view edgesToAll: #(2).
> > >> > view forceBasedLayout.
> > >> > view open.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Usman
> > >> >
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