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Schwab,Wilhelm K
It would indeed.  Bringing R "inside the image" would be very helpful, and would lead to all kinds of abstractions, making life easier.  I recently bought "The Art of R Programming" and have had time to only skim it.  I will admit that the author's enthusiasm is a bit infectious.  The R language might not be *quite* as bad as I think, though I still see it as syntax over substance run amok.

At one point, I *really* tried to like Visual Basic - this was a long time ago.  But every question got answered with "the SYNTAX  for that is ..." - R seems much the same way.  Very few users think in terms of objects, behavior and re-use.  With bindings, we could change that (for us at least).

Bill





From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Francisco Garau [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:19 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

There is a GSoC project to have R-bindings in Smalltalk. 

That would be just amazing! 

Very useful for a lot of applications (including finance)

On 28 March 2012 15:21, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]> wrote:
It would be great to stab the R beast through the heart.   But it will be tough go given the richness of analyses that R can do.  I have been tinkering with PLplot for a while, but there are some graphs for R is simply more capable, and the modeling and tests are undeniably powerful.

Bill


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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Alexandre Bergel [[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:44 AM
To: Moose-related development
Cc: Pharo Development
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

Hi Serge!

I welcome very much this initiative.
Something that I believe is important, is an pdf graph exporter (maybe based on EyeSee) and the various test distribution (e.g., CHI). The fact that these two are missing is exactly the reason why I use R and Numbers instead of Pharo.

I sincerely believe that Pharo can be an alternative to R and Maple. A bit more is needed from our side however.

Alexandre


On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:38, Serge Stinckwich wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> we already discuss about that in the moose and pharo mailing-list.
> Maybe this is too late, but please find a small proposal for gsoc 2012 below.
>
> ================================================================
>
> Name: SciSmalltalk
> Level: Intermediate
> Possible mentor: Serge Stinckwich
> Possible second mentor: ?
>
> Description
> Smalltalk has at that time no equivalent to mathematical libraries
> like NumPy, SciPy (Python) or SciRuby (Ruby).
> The goal of the SciSmalltalk project is to develop an open-source
> library of mathematical for the Smalltalk programming language (MIT
> Licence).
>
> Technical Details
> The development of this project is to be done in Pharo Smalltalk, but
> the code should be portable to other Smalltalk flavors.
> Numerous Smalltalk projects provide already some basic functionalities
> (complex and quaternions extensions, random number generator, fuzzy
> algorithms, LAPACK linear algebra package, Didier Besset's numerical
> methods, ...). A first task will be to do an audit of all the existing
> projects that provide some mathematical stuff and build a Pharo
> Configuration to load them in a fresh Pharo Smalltalk image. After
> that, the student help by his/her mentors will decide what are the
> numeric algorithms to develop in priority.
>
> The student will need to know some basic numeric algorithms usually
> found in such libraries.
> Units tests should also be provided.
>
> Benefits to the Student
> The student will help the Smalltalk community in a very concrete way.
> The student will learn to design well-designed code with tests.
>
> Benefits to the Community
> Having a package providing more elaborate numeric libraries is really
> important to develop the use Smalltalk in new domains (robotics, high
> performance computing, computer vision, bio-computing, ...). The lack
> of numeric librairies hamper the use of the Smalltalk in a scientific
> context at the moment. An another goal of this project is to develop a
> community of people interested by these topic.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Serge Stinckwich
> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Moose-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

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Re: [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

Schwab,Wilhelm K
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I suspect a seamless bridge to R would prove much more useful.  Lots of functionality for free.  The Blue Book contributions could help shape the way we abstract R's features.





From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:25 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

It would be just as nice to be able to integrate R through some kind of bridge.

I am using R as well over here. And wxMaxima.

What is interesting is that Blue book already has some interesting bits about distributions etc in the simulations part.

Maybe we should already bring that material inside Pharo in a Stats-Bluebook package? 

Phil

2012/3/29 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
For what I need R, Pharo can easily be better. Just an EyeSee pdf exporter will give me enough energy to build things on top of it.

Alexandre



Le 28 mars 2012 à 10:21, "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

> It would be great to stab the R beast through the heart.   But it will be tough go given the richness of analyses that R can do.  I have been tinkering with PLplot for a while, but there are some graphs for R is simply more capable, and the modeling and tests are undeniably powerful.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Alexandre Bergel [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: Moose-related development
> Cc: Pharo Development
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk
>
> Hi Serge!
>
> I welcome very much this initiative.
> Something that I believe is important, is an pdf graph exporter (maybe based on EyeSee) and the various test distribution (e.g., CHI). The fact that these two are missing is exactly the reason why I use R and Numbers instead of Pharo.
>
> I sincerely believe that Pharo can be an alternative to R and Maple. A bit more is needed from our side however.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:38, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we already discuss about that in the moose and pharo mailing-list.
>> Maybe this is too late, but please find a small proposal for gsoc 2012 below.
>>
>> ================================================================
>>
>> Name: SciSmalltalk
>> Level: Intermediate
>> Possible mentor: Serge Stinckwich
>> Possible second mentor: ?
>>
>> Description
>> Smalltalk has at that time no equivalent to mathematical libraries
>> like NumPy, SciPy (Python) or SciRuby (Ruby).
>> The goal of the SciSmalltalk project is to develop an open-source
>> library of mathematical for the Smalltalk programming language (MIT
>> Licence).
>>
>> Technical Details
>> The development of this project is to be done in Pharo Smalltalk, but
>> the code should be portable to other Smalltalk flavors.
>> Numerous Smalltalk projects provide already some basic functionalities
>> (complex and quaternions extensions, random number generator, fuzzy
>> algorithms, LAPACK linear algebra package, Didier Besset's numerical
>> methods, ...). A first task will be to do an audit of all the existing
>> projects that provide some mathematical stuff and build a Pharo
>> Configuration to load them in a fresh Pharo Smalltalk image. After
>> that, the student help by his/her mentors will decide what are the
>> numeric algorithms to develop in priority.
>>
>> The student will need to know some basic numeric algorithms usually
>> found in such libraries.
>> Units tests should also be provided.
>>
>> Benefits to the Student
>> The student will help the Smalltalk community in a very concrete way.
>> The student will learn to design well-designed code with tests.
>>
>> Benefits to the Community
>> Having a package providing more elaborate numeric libraries is really
>> important to develop the use Smalltalk in new domains (robotics, high
>> performance computing, computer vision, bio-computing, ...). The lack
>> of numeric librairies hamper the use of the Smalltalk in a scientific
>> context at the moment. An another goal of this project is to develop a
>> community of people interested by these topic.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Serge Stinckwich
>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moose-dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
>
> --
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

SergeStinckwich
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On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> serge
>
> could you start a wiki page with all the current resources?
> Like that we get a first impression.
> It would be good to think about package names too (I do not really like DHB for example in the package name).

ok i start a list here:

https://github.com/SergeStinckwich/SciSmalltalk/wiki/Existing-Math-packages-in-Smalltalk

Feel free to edit.
Regards,
--
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UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://doesnotunderstand.org/

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Re: [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

Stéphane Ducasse
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SciTalk
Mathalk
MathTalk
SmallMath

:)

On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote:

> Yes sure.
> Anyone has a better name than SciSmalltalk ;-) ?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> serge
>>
>> could you start a wiki page with all the current resources?
>> Like that we get a first impression.
>> It would be good to think about package names too (I do not really like DHB for example in the package name).
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Francisco Garau
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> There is a GSoC project to have R-bindings in Smalltalk.
>>>>
>>>> That would be just amazing!
>>>>
>>>> Very useful for a lot of applications (including finance)
>>>
>>> Yes sure, this is great, but usually this kind of project (binding
>>> with another language) are quite difficult for student.
>>> The student need to know 2 different languages, and also how to use
>>> FFI to connect them.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> Serge Stinckwich
>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Serge Stinckwich
> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>


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Re: [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

philippeback
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The R language works with large agregates and makes me think of APL at times.

Things like rbind, merge, or factor coupled with graphical plots are really nice to have.

This is different from collections. More like OOPAL and F-Script actually.

Maybe the A part is mandatory to get the R part to work smoothly.

Phil

2012/3/29 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]>
It would indeed.  Bringing R "inside the image" would be very helpful, and would lead to all kinds of abstractions, making life easier.  I recently bought "The Art of R Programming" and have had time to only skim it.  I will admit that the author's enthusiasm is a bit infectious.  The R language might not be *quite* as bad as I think, though I still see it as syntax over substance run amok.

At one point, I *really* tried to like Visual Basic - this was a long time ago.  But every question got answered with "the SYNTAX  for that is ..." - R seems much the same way.  Very few users think in terms of objects, behavior and re-use.  With bindings, we could change that (for us at least).

Bill





From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Francisco Garau [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:19 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

There is a GSoC project to have R-bindings in Smalltalk. 

That would be just amazing! 

Very useful for a lot of applications (including finance)

On 28 March 2012 15:21, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]> wrote:
It would be great to stab the R beast through the heart.   But it will be tough go given the richness of analyses that R can do.  I have been tinkering with PLplot for a while, but there are some graphs for R is simply more capable, and the modeling and tests are undeniably powerful.

Bill


________________________________________
From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Alexandre Bergel [[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:44 AM
To: Moose-related development
Cc: Pharo Development
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

Hi Serge!

I welcome very much this initiative.
Something that I believe is important, is an pdf graph exporter (maybe based on EyeSee) and the various test distribution (e.g., CHI). The fact that these two are missing is exactly the reason why I use R and Numbers instead of Pharo.

I sincerely believe that Pharo can be an alternative to R and Maple. A bit more is needed from our side however.

Alexandre


On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:38, Serge Stinckwich wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> we already discuss about that in the moose and pharo mailing-list.
> Maybe this is too late, but please find a small proposal for gsoc 2012 below.
>
> ================================================================
>
> Name: SciSmalltalk
> Level: Intermediate
> Possible mentor: Serge Stinckwich
> Possible second mentor: ?
>
> Description
> Smalltalk has at that time no equivalent to mathematical libraries
> like NumPy, SciPy (Python) or SciRuby (Ruby).
> The goal of the SciSmalltalk project is to develop an open-source
> library of mathematical for the Smalltalk programming language (MIT
> Licence).
>
> Technical Details
> The development of this project is to be done in Pharo Smalltalk, but
> the code should be portable to other Smalltalk flavors.
> Numerous Smalltalk projects provide already some basic functionalities
> (complex and quaternions extensions, random number generator, fuzzy
> algorithms, LAPACK linear algebra package, Didier Besset's numerical
> methods, ...). A first task will be to do an audit of all the existing
> projects that provide some mathematical stuff and build a Pharo
> Configuration to load them in a fresh Pharo Smalltalk image. After
> that, the student help by his/her mentors will decide what are the
> numeric algorithms to develop in priority.
>
> The student will need to know some basic numeric algorithms usually
> found in such libraries.
> Units tests should also be provided.
>
> Benefits to the Student
> The student will help the Smalltalk community in a very concrete way.
> The student will learn to design well-designed code with tests.
>
> Benefits to the Community
> Having a package providing more elaborate numeric libraries is really
> important to develop the use Smalltalk in new domains (robotics, high
> performance computing, computer vision, bio-computing, ...). The lack
> of numeric librairies hamper the use of the Smalltalk in a scientific
> context at the moment. An another goal of this project is to develop a
> community of people interested by these topic.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Serge Stinckwich
> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Moose-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

--
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.











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philippeback
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Simula? ;-)


2012/3/29 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>
SciTalk
Mathalk
MathTalk
SmallMath

:)

On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote:

> Yes sure.
> Anyone has a better name than SciSmalltalk ;-) ?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> serge
>>
>> could you start a wiki page with all the current resources?
>> Like that we get a first impression.
>> It would be good to think about package names too (I do not really like DHB for example in the package name).
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Francisco Garau
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> There is a GSoC project to have R-bindings in Smalltalk.
>>>>
>>>> That would be just amazing!
>>>>
>>>> Very useful for a lot of applications (including finance)
>>>
>>> Yes sure, this is great, but usually this kind of project (binding
>>> with another language) are quite difficult for student.
>>> The student need to know 2 different languages, and also how to use
>>> FFI to connect them.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> Serge Stinckwich
>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Serge Stinckwich
> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>





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Re: [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

Stéphane Ducasse

> Simula? ;-)

:)
no smalltalk of course :)

Stef



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Re: [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

Ben Coman
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Plus you get a potential audience of all the existing R users. Some of
them get drawn some of them over.  Then the Smalltalk bindings are so
great that the R trunk adopts Pharo as its main interface...</wishful
thinking>

Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

> I suspect a seamless bridge to R would prove much more useful.  Lots of functionality for free.  The Blue Book contributions could help shape the way we abstract R's features.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:25 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk
>
> It would be just as nice to be able to integrate R through some kind of bridge.
>
> I am using R as well over here. And wxMaxima.
>
> What is interesting is that Blue book already has some interesting bits about distributions etc in the simulations part.
>
> Maybe we should already bring that material inside Pharo in a Stats-Bluebook package?
>
> Phil
>
> 2012/3/29 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
> For what I need R, Pharo can easily be better. Just an EyeSee pdf exporter will give me enough energy to build things on top of it.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
>
> Le 28 mars 2012 à 10:21, "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>
>  
>> It would be great to stab the R beast through the heart.   But it will be tough go given the richness of analyses that R can do.  I have been tinkering with PLplot for a while, but there are some graphs for R is simply more capable, and the modeling and tests are undeniably powerful.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> [[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>] on behalf of Alexandre Bergel [[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:44 AM
>> To: Moose-related development
>> Cc: Pharo Development
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk
>>
>> Hi Serge!
>>
>> I welcome very much this initiative.
>> Something that I believe is important, is an pdf graph exporter (maybe based on EyeSee) and the various test distribution (e.g., CHI). The fact that these two are missing is exactly the reason why I use R and Numbers instead of Pharo.
>>
>> I sincerely believe that Pharo can be an alternative to R and Maple. A bit more is needed from our side however.
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:38, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> we already discuss about that in the moose and pharo mailing-list.
>>> Maybe this is too late, but please find a small proposal for gsoc 2012 below.
>>>
>>> ================================================================
>>>
>>> Name: SciSmalltalk
>>> Level: Intermediate
>>> Possible mentor: Serge Stinckwich
>>> Possible second mentor: ?
>>>
>>> Description
>>> Smalltalk has at that time no equivalent to mathematical libraries
>>> like NumPy, SciPy (Python) or SciRuby (Ruby).
>>> The goal of the SciSmalltalk project is to develop an open-source
>>> library of mathematical for the Smalltalk programming language (MIT
>>> Licence).
>>>
>>> Technical Details
>>> The development of this project is to be done in Pharo Smalltalk, but
>>> the code should be portable to other Smalltalk flavors.
>>> Numerous Smalltalk projects provide already some basic functionalities
>>> (complex and quaternions extensions, random number generator, fuzzy
>>> algorithms, LAPACK linear algebra package, Didier Besset's numerical
>>> methods, ...). A first task will be to do an audit of all the existing
>>> projects that provide some mathematical stuff and build a Pharo
>>> Configuration to load them in a fresh Pharo Smalltalk image. After
>>> that, the student help by his/her mentors will decide what are the
>>> numeric algorithms to develop in priority.
>>>
>>> The student will need to know some basic numeric algorithms usually
>>> found in such libraries.
>>> Units tests should also be provided.
>>>
>>> Benefits to the Student
>>> The student will help the Smalltalk community in a very concrete way.
>>> The student will learn to design well-designed code with tests.
>>>
>>> Benefits to the Community
>>> Having a package providing more elaborate numeric libraries is really
>>> important to develop the use Smalltalk in new domains (robotics, high
>>> performance computing, computer vision, bio-computing, ...). The lack
>>> of numeric librairies hamper the use of the Smalltalk in a scientific
>>> context at the moment. An another goal of this project is to develop a
>>> community of people interested by these topic.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> Serge Stinckwich
>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moose-dev mailing list
>>> [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
>>>      
>> --
>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>
>
>
>
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>
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