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laurent laffont

[Screencast] request for review

Hi,

I've recorded a screencast for Pharo 3.0. Could some of you review the english subtitles ?

Project is here: https://github.com/lolgzs/pharo-picasa-screencast , subtitles in picasa_pharo3.en.srt. It's a simple text format, but you can use tools like KDE subtitle composer or Jubler to edit it. You can either send me fix by mail or make merge requests on github (easier for me :).

Next the idea is to have subtitles translated into several languages, help appreciated.

And if you have courage and time :), it would be nice to have voice recorded (my spoken english sounds, well, ... ).

The screencast may be published on new Pharo website for people to get started.

Cheers,

Laurent

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: [Screencast] request for review

Hi Laurent,

Very well done - this coding in the debugger is certainly a strong point of Pharo. It is even quite instructive for advanced users. And yes this has to be included in the website.

Thanks !

Sven

On 01 May 2014, at 23:21, Laurent Laffont <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've recorded a screencast for Pharo 3.0. Could some of you review the english subtitles ?
>
> Project is here: https://github.com/lolgzs/pharo-picasa-screencast , subtitles in picasa_pharo3.en.srt. It's a simple text format, but you can use tools like KDE subtitle composer or Jubler to edit it. You can either send me fix by mail or make merge requests on github (easier for me :).
>
>
> Next the idea is to have subtitles translated into several languages, help appreciated.
>
> And if you have courage and time :), it would be nice to have voice recorded (my spoken english sounds, well, ... ).
>
> The screencast may be published on new Pharo website for people to get started.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laurent
>

Lorenzo

R: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by laurent laffont

Hi Laurent,

if you need a help in Italian, I am available.

Lorenzo

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] Per conto di
Laurent Laffont
Inviato: giovedì 1 maggio 2014 23:21
A: [hidden email]
Oggetto: [Pharo-dev] [Screencast] request for review

Hi,

I've recorded a screencast for Pharo 3.0. Could some of you review the
english subtitles ?

Project is here: https://github.com/lolgzs/pharo-picasa-screencast ,
subtitles in picasa_pharo3.en.srt. It's a simple text format, but you can
use tools like KDE subtitle composer or Jubler to edit it. You can either
send me fix by mail or make merge requests on github (easier for me :).

Next the idea is to have subtitles translated into several languages, help
appreciated.

And if you have courage and time :), it would be nice to have voice recorded
(my spoken english sounds, well, ... ).

The screencast may be published on new Pharo website for people to get
started.

Cheers,

Laurent

laurent laffont

Re: R: [Screencast] request for review

Le vendredi 2 mai 2014, 09:08:49 Lorenzo Schiavina a écrit :
> Hi Laurent,
>
> if you need a help in Italian, I am available.

Yes, I need help :) I don't speak Italian.

Laurent

>
> Lorenzo
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] Per conto di
> Laurent Laffont
> Inviato: giovedì 1 maggio 2014 23:21
> A: [hidden email]
> Oggetto: [Pharo-dev] [Screencast] request for review
>
> Hi,
>
> I've recorded a screencast for Pharo 3.0. Could some of you review the
> english subtitles ?
>
> Project is here: https://github.com/lolgzs/pharo-picasa-screencast ,
> subtitles in picasa_pharo3.en.srt. It's a simple text format, but you can
> use tools like KDE subtitle composer or Jubler to edit it. You can either
> send me fix by mail or make merge requests on github (easier for me :).
>
>
> Next the idea is to have subtitles translated into several languages, help
> appreciated.
>
> And if you have courage and time :), it would be nice to have voice recorded
> (my spoken english sounds, well, ... ).
>
> The screencast may be published on new Pharo website for people to get
> started.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laurent
>

philippeback

Re: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by laurent laffont

That's a very cool video indeed!

Phil

kilon.alios

Re: [Screencast] request for review

Personally I did not understand at least %50 of the video, mostly because I am not familiar with Zinc and Html. Also the video moves very fast for someone not familiar to Pharo. Still its a very good demonstration how an experienced coder would work in Pharo.

I think the website should have separate sections for screencasts and video tutorials and of course other documentation too as the old site did.

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:52 AM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

That's a very cool video indeed!

Phil

kilon.alios

Re: [Screencast] request for review

also i tried to watch it in VLC adding the English subtitles and VLC does not seem to recognize the subtitle format. Anyway to watch it with subtitles on win 7 and macos ?

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:18 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

Personally I did not understand at least %50 of the video, mostly because I am not familiar with Zinc and Html. Also the video moves very fast for someone not familiar to Pharo. Still its a very good demonstration how an experienced coder would work in Pharo.

I think the website should have separate sections for screencasts and video tutorials and of course other documentation too as the old site did.

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:52 AM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

That's a very cool video indeed!

Phil

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by kilon.alios

On 02 May 2014, at 12:18, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Personally I did not understand at least %50 of the video, mostly because I am not familiar with Zinc and Html.

Everyone has a different background, that is a fact.

Still, I think using a REST API is something most modern programmers are very familiar with.

Being able to interactively work with the result of parsing XML is a really cool thing.

And Laurent if know for his coding mojo, he's like an artist ;-)

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by kilon.alios

It worked for me using VLC on Mac OS X.

But although I understand Laurent 100% for not wanting to record his own voice (I hate mine as well), and although I have made subtitled screencasts in the past myself, it is a fact that it is very hard to watch what is happening on the screen and read subtitles at the same time - maybe watching at half-speed (AKA half-laurent-speed, or mer-mortal-speed) helps ?

On 02 May 2014, at 12:25, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

> also i tried to watch it in VLC adding the English subtitles and VLC does not seem to recognize the subtitle format. Anyway to watch it with subtitles on win 7 and macos ?

kilon.alios

Re: [Screencast] request for review

Yeap it was me being stupid, it works for me now on MACOS. I have right clicked and saved it on Github and instead it saved a xml thing, dont know why. But I copy pasted its contents and now it works.

I would say that with subtitles it raised to 70-80% of what I can understand. I still think its too fast and subtitles seem to overlap adding to the confusion .

I am willing to do the voice over , my vocal English is far from perfect . Here is a demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qd05hL85_Y

I am also familiar with audio recording software and iMovie so I can add the audio inside the movie.

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

It worked for me using VLC on Mac OS X.

But although I understand Laurent 100% for not wanting to record his own voice (I hate mine as well), and although I have made subtitled screencasts in the past myself, it is a fact that it is very hard to watch what is happening on the screen and read subtitles at the same time - maybe watching at half-speed (AKA half-laurent-speed, or mer-mortal-speed) helps ?

On 02 May 2014, at 12:25, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

> also i tried to watch it in VLC adding the English subtitles and VLC does not seem to recognize the subtitle format. Anyway to watch it with subtitles on win 7 and macos ?

Sergi Reyner

Re: [Screencast] request for review

2014-05-02 12:03 GMT+01:00 kilon alios <[hidden email]>:

I am willing to do the voice over , my vocal English is far from perfect . Here is a demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qd05hL85_Y

I find it more than acceptable, dude :)

Cheers,

Sergi

sebastianconcept@gmail.co

Re: [Screencast] request for review

On May 2, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Sergi Reyner <[hidden email]> wrote:

2014-05-02 12:03 GMT+01:00 kilon alios <[hidden email]>:

I am willing to do the voice over , my vocal English is far from perfect . Here is a demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qd05hL85_Y

I find it more than acceptable, dude :)

Cheers,
Sergi

My stone face gives me no authority whatsoever on this but for what is worth you have a great voice.

You have a great voice!

Do more of this stuff!

Looking forward to see and hear your next screencasts

laurent laffont

Re: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by kilon.alios

Hi,

actually the video is accelerated (almost 40' video reduced to 14'), lot of cuts to try to show a perfect workflow that nobody can have (I'm not an alien, I just cheat :). Having the good timing and workflow is hard, I can slowdown the video. My goals are:
- create ah WHAOUH effect when watching the first time
- come back later slowly, pause, try to do the thing

Personnally I like things going fast because that's how I like it, but I understand. With VLC you can adjust the timing easily (click on the 1.0x in the status bar, bottom right), may be people can try and tell me the good ratio for them.

And yes, voice will be far better, but I would like a native-english man/woman to record it.

Cheers,

Laurent

Le vendredi 2 mai 2014, 14:03:34 kilon alios a écrit :

> Yeap it was me being stupid, it works for me now on MACOS. I have right
> clicked and saved it on Github and instead it saved a xml thing, dont know
> why. But I copy pasted its contents and now it works.
>
> I would say that with subtitles it raised to 70-80% of what I can
> understand. I still think its too fast and subtitles seem to overlap adding
> to the confusion .
>
> I am willing to do the voice over , my vocal English is far from perfect .
> Here is a demo
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qd05hL85_Y
>
> I am also familiar with audio recording software and iMovie so I can add
> the audio inside the movie.
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > It worked for me using VLC on Mac OS X.
> >
> > But although I understand Laurent 100% for not wanting to record his own
> > voice (I hate mine as well), and although I have made subtitled screencasts
> > in the past myself, it is a fact that it is very hard to watch what is
> > happening on the screen and read subtitles at the same time - maybe
> > watching at half-speed (AKA half-laurent-speed, or mer-mortal-speed) helps ?
> >
> > On 02 May 2014, at 12:25, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > also i tried to watch it in VLC adding the English subtitles and VLC
> > does not seem to recognize the subtitle format. Anyway to watch it with
> > subtitles on win 7 and macos ?
> >
> >
> >

kilon.alios

Re: [Screencast] request for review

Fair enough Laurent , pity I am not a native speaker :)

Thank guys for your good words, its important that people can understand with ease my English. I have to admit I was skeptical myself and of course I had close to zero experience with screencasts so its all new to me :D

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Laurent Laffont <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

actually the video is accelerated (almost 40' video reduced to 14'), lot of cuts to try to show a perfect workflow that nobody can have (I'm not an alien, I just cheat :). Having the good timing and workflow is hard, I can slowdown the video. My goals are:
- create ah WHAOUH effect when watching the first time
- come back later slowly, pause, try to do the thing

Personnally I like things going fast because that's how I like it, but I understand. With VLC you can adjust the timing easily (click on the 1.0x in the status bar, bottom right), may be people can try and tell me the good ratio for them.

And yes, voice will be far better, but I would like a native-english man/woman to record it.

Cheers,

Laurent

Le vendredi 2 mai 2014, 14:03:34 kilon alios a écrit :

> Yeap it was me being stupid, it works for me now on MACOS. I have right
> clicked and saved it on Github and instead it saved a xml thing, dont know
> why. But I copy pasted its contents and now it works.
>
> I would say that with subtitles it raised to 70-80% of what I can
> understand. I still think its too fast and subtitles seem to overlap adding
> to the confusion .
>
> I am willing to do the voice over , my vocal English is far from perfect .
> Here is a demo
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qd05hL85_Y
>
> I am also familiar with audio recording software and iMovie so I can add
> the audio inside the movie.
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > It worked for me using VLC on Mac OS X.
> >
> > But although I understand Laurent 100% for not wanting to record his own
> > voice (I hate mine as well), and although I have made subtitled screencasts
> > in the past myself, it is a fact that it is very hard to watch what is
> > happening on the screen and read subtitles at the same time - maybe
> > watching at half-speed (AKA half-laurent-speed, or mer-mortal-speed) helps ?
> >
> > On 02 May 2014, at 12:25, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > also i tried to watch it in VLC adding the English subtitles and VLC
> > does not seem to recognize the subtitle format. Anyway to watch it with
> > subtitles on win 7 and macos ?
> >
> >
> >

Ben Coman

Re: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by laurent laffont

Laurent Laffont wrote:

Hi,

actually the video is accelerated (almost 40' video reduced to 14'), lot of cuts to try to show a perfect workflow that nobody can have (I'm not an alien, I just cheat :). Having the good timing and workflow is hard, I can slowdown the video. My goals are:
- create ah WHAOUH effect when watching the first time
- come back later slowly, pause, try to do the thing


Personnally I like things going fast because that's how I like it, but I understand. With VLC you can adjust the timing easily (click on the 1.0x in the status bar, bottom right), may be people can try and tell me the good ratio for them.


And yes, voice will be far better, but I would like a native-english man/woman to record it.

I think I fit the bill, if you don't mind an Australian accent ;). And I've got the tools.
cheers -ben

Cheers,

Laurent


Le vendredi 2 mai 2014, 14:03:34 kilon alios a écrit :

Yeap it was me being stupid, it works for me now on MACOS. I have right
clicked and saved it on Github and instead it saved a xml thing, dont know
why. But I copy pasted its contents and now it works.

I would say that with subtitles it raised to 70-80% of what I can
understand. I still think its too fast and subtitles seem to overlap adding
to the confusion .

I am willing to do the voice over , my vocal English is far from perfect .
Here is a demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qd05hL85_Y

I am also familiar with audio recording software and iMovie so I can add
the audio inside the movie.


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe [hidden email] wrote:

It worked for me using VLC on Mac OS X.

But although I understand Laurent 100% for not wanting to record his own
voice (I hate mine as well), and although I have made subtitled screencasts
in the past myself, it is a fact that it is very hard to watch what is
happening on the screen and read subtitles at the same time - maybe
watching at half-speed (AKA half-laurent-speed, or mer-mortal-speed) helps ?

On 02 May 2014, at 12:25, kilon alios [hidden email] wrote:

also i tried to watch it in VLC adding the English subtitles and VLC

does not seem to recognize the subtitle format. Anyway to watch it with
subtitles on win 7 and macos ?

Hilaire Fernandes-6

Re: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by laurent laffont

Hello Laurent,

Two points:

1. on the video you have a rate problem, this is why it looks fast.
2. You should cut your video in at least 5 videos chunk of about 3 min.
each, or 3 parts of 5 min. each. It will make it more easy to digest for
newbie.

Sometime hesitation on the interface use should not be always cut, it
can be instructive as well.

Hilaire

Le 01/05/2014 23:21, Laurent Laffont a écrit :
> I've recorded a screencast for Pharo 3.0. Could some of you review the english subtitles ?

--
Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

laurent laffont

Re: R: [Screencast] request for review

In reply to this post by Lorenzo

Video uploaded on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gtVjGYRLI

Thanks Lorenzo for Italian subtitles !

Laurent

Le vendredi 2 mai 2014, 09:08:49 Lorenzo Schiavina a écrit :

> Hi Laurent,
>
> if you need a help in Italian, I am available.
>
> Lorenzo
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] Per conto di
> Laurent Laffont
> Inviato: giovedì 1 maggio 2014 23:21
> A: [hidden email]
> Oggetto: [Pharo-dev] [Screencast] request for review
>
> Hi,
>
> I've recorded a screencast for Pharo 3.0. Could some of you review the
> english subtitles ?
>
> Project is here: https://github.com/lolgzs/pharo-picasa-screencast ,
> subtitles in picasa_pharo3.en.srt. It's a simple text format, but you can
> use tools like KDE subtitle composer or Jubler to edit it. You can either
> send me fix by mail or make merge requests on github (easier for me :).
>
>
> Next the idea is to have subtitles translated into several languages, help
> appreciated.
>
> And if you have courage and time :), it would be nice to have voice recorded
> (my spoken english sounds, well, ... ).
>
> The screencast may be published on new Pharo website for people to get
> started.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laurent
>

Ben Coman

Re: R: [Screencast] request for review

Laurent Laffont wrote:

Video uploaded on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gtVjGYRLI

Thanks Lorenzo for Italian subtitles !

Laurent


Le vendredi 2 mai 2014, 09:08:49 Lorenzo Schiavina a écrit :

Hi Laurent,

if you need a help in Italian, I am available.

Lorenzo

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Pharo-dev [[hidden email]] Per conto di
Laurent Laffont
Inviato: giovedì 1 maggio 2014 23:21
A: [hidden email]
Oggetto: [Pharo-dev] [Screencast] request for review

Hi,

I've recorded a screencast for Pharo 3.0. Could some of you review the
english subtitles ? 

Project is here: https://github.com/lolgzs/pharo-picasa-screencast ,
subtitles in picasa_pharo3.en.srt. It's a simple text format, but you can
use tools like KDE subtitle composer or Jubler to edit it. You can either
send me fix by mail or make merge requests on github (easier for me :).


Next the idea is to have subtitles translated into several languages, help
appreciated.

And if you have courage and time :), it would be nice to have voice recorded
(my spoken english sounds, well, ... ). 

The screencast may be published on new Pharo website for people to get
started.

Cheers, 

Laurent

What is with the html tags Morphic not being processed and showing up raw in the captions ?
cheers -ben

laurent laffont

Re: R: [Screencast] request for review

It seems youtube does not process them... Works on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/93536083

I don't really like the youtube player....

Laurent

>
> What is with the html tags Morphic not being processed and showing up raw in the captions ?
> cheers -ben
>
>
>

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: R: [Screencast] request for review

I see them alright:

It probably depends on your settings somehow ...

On 02 May 2014, at 18:24, Laurent Laffont <[hidden email]> wrote:

It seems youtube does not process them... Works on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/93536083

I don't really like the youtube player....

Laurent

What is with the html tags Morphic not being processed and showing up raw in the captions ?
cheers -ben