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Hi all,

> Is there an easy way to search this list?
> Other than look at it month by month?

I'am new to seaside and struggeling around with the tutorial from
scratch and would like to have the possibility to search the archive
to avoid newbie question's.

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Michael,

You can enter
"site:http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/seaside/" after your
search terms in normal Google search to do this.

I'm not sure how up to date Google's of the site is though.

For example, the search "scriptaculous
site:http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/seaside/" returns no
results though it definitely should.

Z.

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Hello Michael,
what about Gmane?
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.seaside

Petr


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Hi,

I'am new to the List. I'am located in Bremen, that's in the north of Germany,
and working with Linux for 9 years now.

I would like to create a web location for my local Linux User Group in Bremen (LUG Bremen) using seaside and smalltalk.

I'am familiar with web application's in HTML, XML, PHP, PERL (CGI) and
Javascript.

I searched the mail archiv with google but I don't have a clue what to
do to comprehend the tutorial.

I have access over FTP. Where is the location to put a file into it to
start from scratch to have a "Hello World" like in the tutorial under my
domain lug-bremen.seasidehostig.st ?

I tried lug-bremen.seasidehostig.st and
lug-bremen.seasidehostig.st/seaside.

There are no files at the moment in my home directory over FTP as I
don't have a clue what I should do . (So I decided to let it).

How should a file look's like ? Must this be an .html file ?

Has smalltalk and seaside a functionality like an index.html for the
first site ?

The tutorial doesn't describe the procedure about the file structure and
the access restriction.

When I browser lug-bremen.seaside.hosting or
lug-bremen.seaside.hosting/sideside I get the following error:

Bad Gateway

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.

Sorry for my lame mail but I don't know how to cope at the moment to
comprehend the documentation at seaside ...

Thank's for your great help !

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Hi Mark,

> I'am familiar with web application's in HTML, XML, PHP, PERL (CGI) and
> Javascript.

unfortunately this doesn't help much, Seaside is different. Better
forget all you know about PHP, PERL and CGI. Seaside is completely
different ;-)

> I searched the mail archiv with google but I don't have a clue what to
> do to comprehend the tutorial.

Which tutorial?

> I have access over FTP. Where is the location to put a file into it to
> start from scratch to have a "Hello World" like in the tutorial under my
> domain lug-bremen.seasidehostig.st ?

Does the web-application run on YOUR machine?

To get it running on your machine you need the Squeak VM, the Squeak
sources and the image and changes files with Seaside installed. As a
start I would suggest that you take a prepared image from
<http://www.seaside.st/Download/>. Then you develop/install the
application into your image and as soon as it works you upload it to
seasidehosting.st.

> Has smalltalk and seaside a functionality like an index.html for the
> first site ?

This is the default application as defined in your Squeak image.

> The tutorial doesn't describe the procedure about the file structure and
> the access restriction.

There is no such a thing. There are only objects, no files.

> When I browser lug-bremen.seaside.hosting or
> lug-bremen.seaside.hosting/sideside I get the following error:
>
> Bad Gateway
>
> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.

That's because there is no Squeak image running, see the FAQ.

> Sorry for my lame mail but I don't know how to cope at the moment to
> comprehend the documentation at seaside ...

No problem!

I will be announcing a Seaside tutorial that I will be giving as part
of a Smalltalk lecture at the University of Bern, maybe that would be
a good start for you?

Cheers,
Lukas

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You can try Nabble (I like it's UI more than Gmane's).

http://www.nabble.com/Squeak---Seaside-f14153.html 

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Yes, much better. Thank you.

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> You can try Nabble (I like it's UI more than Gmane's).
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> http://www.nabble.com/Squeak---Seaside-f14153.html 
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Hi Lukas,

> unfortunately this doesn't help much, Seaside is different. Better
> forget all you know about PHP, PERL and CGI. Seaside is completely
> different ;-)

quite easy, doing more kernel stuff at the moment ...

> Which tutorial?

http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/

> Does the web-application run on YOUR machine?

No, actually not. I have a ftp access which is working and as a domain:

http://lug-bremen.seasidehosting.st/

***

But I get the error message:

Bad Gateway

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.

***

I understand why because I didn't upload a file.

> To get it running on your machine you need the Squeak VM, the Squeak
> sources and the image and changes files with Seaside installed. As a
> start I would suggest that you take a prepared image from
> <http://www.seaside.st/Download/>. Then you develop/install the
> application into your image and as soon as it works you upload it to
> seasidehosting.st.

Maybe later on I will install smalltalk locally, I have an apache here
in my LAN.

> > Has smalltalk and seaside a functionality like an index.html for the
> > first site ?
>
> This is the default application as defined in your Squeak image.

Sorry, I don't understand the meaning. What do you mean by saying
"default apllication" ?

> There is no such a thing. There are only objects, no files.

So it's required now for lug-bremen.seasidehosting.st to download an
image from http://www.seaside.st/Download/ and to install this over my
ftp access for lug-bremen.seasidehosting.st.

Is this correct so far ?

> That's because there is no Squeak image running, see the FAQ.

Ok, I understand. I have to install in image over ftp.

> I will be announcing a Seaside tutorial that I will be giving as part
> of a Smalltalk lecture at the University of Bern, maybe that would be
> a good start for you?

I had a look at it but I have only an easy basic question and I'am aware
now I have to install an image.

Thank's for your reply !

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> No, actually not. I have a ftp access which is working and as a domain:
>
> http://lug-bremen.seasidehosting.st/

Great, but this is only to host applications you already developed and
tested on your own local computer. It is very inconvenient to
develop/install applications on a remote machine with Seaside. As I
said, Seaside is different than other frameworks, there are no files
and seasidehosting.st provides no file-hosting. In Smalltalk
everything is an object living within an image, also the applications
are graphs of objects that live in there.

> I understand why because I didn't upload a file.

Yes, you need to upload a working image-file with your application in
there and start up the vm using the web-interface.

> > To get it running on your machine you need the Squeak VM, the Squeak
> > sources and the image and changes files with Seaside installed. As a
> > start I would suggest that you take a prepared image from
> > <http://www.seaside.st/Download/>. Then you develop/install the
> > application into your image and as soon as it works you upload it to
> > seasidehosting.st.
>
> Maybe later on I will install smalltalk locally, I have an apache here
> in my LAN.

You don't need Apache on your local machine, Squeak and Seaside come
with their own web-server.

> > > Has smalltalk and seaside a functionality like an index.html for the
> > > first site ?
> >
> > This is the default application as defined in your Squeak image.
>
> Sorry, I don't understand the meaning. What do you mean by saying
> "default apllication" ?

I think you should ask an experienced Smalltalk for some help getting
started in Squeak and Seaside. Maybe there is a local Smalltalk group
near you? You could check and/or contact www.esug.org to get in touch
with people near you.

> > There is no such a thing. There are only objects, no files.
>
> So it's required now for lug-bremen.seasidehosting.st to download an
> image from http://www.seaside.st/Download/ and to install this over my
> ftp access for lug-bremen.seasidehosting.st.
>
> Is this correct so far ?

Yes, you download the image, develop/install your application locally,
save the image and then upload the ready-made image to
seasidehosting.st. I strongly suggest that you look for some local guy
showing you how to do such things, there is simply too much missing to
explain everything by e-mail!

Cheers,
Lukas

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mark

Do not hesitate to ask for help.
Have a look at my online videos on http://www.listic.unic-savoie.fr/ 
~ducasse/
You get also free book.
Look also for gsug (the german Smalltalk user group) someone can  
certainly help you
Stef

On 14 avr. 06, at 19:58, Mark Walter wrote:

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