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Hi Boris, what host OS does one use for
GemStone's Seaside VM if using VMware Player? I ask this question because there's no direct support for Mac OS X.
-Conrad
On 7/27/07, Boris Popov <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not quite still. VMware Player is free and users don't need to install Ubuntu themselves, they could download GemStone's Seaside VM with everything included and configured, which as a matter of fact may be easier than installing and setting up VisualWorks from scratch for instance. All dialects deserve a mention and quick start sections IMHO.
Cheers!
-Boris
(Sent from a BlackBerry)
----- Original Message -----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email][hidden email]>
To: Seaside - general discussion <[hidden email][hidden email]>
Sent: Fri Jul 27 18:26:13 2007
Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book
Hi Monty, you're correct but the goal of the book is Seaside. Next,
VMWare isn't free and I would not expect my customers to purchase
VMWare, install Ubuntu, and finally install a Smalltalk environment
and Seaside packages. I prefer one to focus on installing the
Smalltalk environment and the Seaside package(s). Monty, just because
I can use VMWare doesn't mean that it's necessary or needed for
learning Seaside. In short, the book should be focused on learning
Seaside in the native development environment whether it be
VisualWorks, Dolphin, and Squeak environments. Now, if my deployable
image is VisualWorks or Dolphin, how would installing VMWare satisfy
these users?
-Conrad
On 7/27/07, Monty Williams <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure your restriction makes sense in today's world. You can happily
> run Ubuntu Server Linux in a VMWare environment on a MacBook or other
> machine, and use Squeak on the native environment as a development platform.
>
> GLASS (GemStone, Linux, Apache, Seaside, and Smalltalk) as a deployment
> environment (instead of LAMP) will also run in a virtualized machine.
> <a href="http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/ is running in a virtualized Xen domU with
> 768MB of RAM and a 20GB disk image. The underlying hardware is a
> dual-processor Opteron 252 2.6GHz with 2GB of RAM which also runs GemStone's
> other external websites, mail, a Confluence wiki, and DNS.
>
> -- Monty
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Conrad Taylor [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:27 PM
> To: Seaside - general discussion
>
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book
>
>
> Hi, I just wouldn't want to introduce something into a book that's not
> supported on all the major platforms. At this time, it doesn't support Mac
> OS X but it support Linux and Windows. Also, Dolphin Smalltalk only
> supports the Windows platform from my understanding. However, it does have
> support Seaside 2.7 on Dolphin Smalltalk X6. This is very good to hear and
> one can find more information hear:
>
>
>
> <a href="http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://dolphinseaside.blogspot<a href="http://dolphinseaside.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
.com/
>
>
> -Conrad
>
> On 7/22/07, Boris Popov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Except GemStone in this context is way more than just a database, its also
> the execution platform for seaside itself so would have to be accounted for
> throughout IMHO.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > -Boris
> > (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: [hidden email][hidden email] <
> [hidden email][hidden email]>
> > To: Seaside - general discussion <[hidden email] .org>
> > Sent: Sun Jul 22 16:58:15 2007
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Seaside book
> >
> > Hi James, I agree with you 100% addressing all the versions of Smalltalk.
> However, I would save Gemstone/S for the database integration parts of the
> book but Dolphin Smalltalk would added to the installation parts of the
> book. Anyway, in the outline that I proposed, I assumed that the reader had
> > programming proficiency but I added the "Introduction to Smalltalk"
> appendix for people that do not.
> > It would be GREAT to incorporate something like this in the forthcoming
> books on Seaside.
> >
> > -Conrad
> >
> >
> > On 7/22/07, James Foster <[hidden email] <
> [hidden email]> > wrote:
> >
> > I believe that all dialects of Smalltalk that support Seaside (you
> left
> > out Dolphin and GemStone) have a no-cost edition. It seems that
> > addressing each of these alternatives would be valuable.
> >
> > James
> >
> > Blake wrote:
> > > Hey, guys,
> > >
> > > I'm creating an outline and some samples for a Seaside book
> and am
> > > wondering: Should I concern myself with Visual Works? That is to
> say:
> > > If I base the book on Squeak, I know everyone can get it for
> free but
> > > at the same time, some may choose VW over Squeak for their work.
> > >
> > > How much accomodation should I make for VW? Obviously, I'll
> want
> > > to check over the examples in VW and make sure they work, but
> apart
> > > from that?
> > >
> > > ===Blake===
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