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A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of
writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding. ---- Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science [hidden email] San Diego State University http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 (619) 583-1978 (Cell) (217) 390-6012 _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Yep, although I'd feel better if I had a publisher. I'm used to running
outlines by them (though I did my first book on spec, so it's not unknown). ===Blake=== On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:35:06 -0700, Roger Whitney <[hidden email]> wrote: > A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a > book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are > proceeding. > > > ---- > Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science > [hidden email] San Diego State University > http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 > (619) 583-1978 (Cell) > (217) 390-6012 > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build
a publishing site. :-) If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point. Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the middleman and everybody else benefits. Victor ===================================================== Blake wrote: > Yep, although I'd feel better if I had a publisher. I'm used to running > outlines by them (though I did my first book on spec, so it's not unknown). > > ===Blake=== > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:35:06 -0700, Roger Whitney <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing >> a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are >> proceeding. >> >> >> ---- >> Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science >> [hidden email] San Diego State University >> http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 >> (619) 583-1978 (Cell) >> (217) 390-6012 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Victor, I really like what I'm hearing. In addition to that, I would like to say that Lulu.com can assist with the publishing of the actual book.
Good luck, -Conrad
On 10/15/07, Victor <[hidden email]> wrote: You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Damn. Sent this to the generl purpose list by mistake.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:01:58 -0700, Victor <[hidden email]> wrote: > You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build > a publishing site. :-) Well, publishing in the traditional sense requires many people and also some dead trees.<s> (Actually, going through the laser game tutorial has given me a number of ideas as how traditional Squeak could be improved with some manual-building tools. But that's a separate issue.) > If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point. > > Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the > middleman and everybody else benefits. I'm all for it. And as Conrad points out there's Lulu. I would probably be uncomfortable releasing a book that didn't have a number of editors besides myself. (Three is good: One general editor, one very good language person, and one tech person.) If I self-publish I have to find (and pay!) those people myself. A good editor is worth her weight in gold. (And I use "her" here because the best editors I've had have been women.) _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Autopublishing has advantages, but publishing via traditional means
also have advantages. Besides having an editor having a Seaside book in the shelves of bookstores would improve Seaside's visibility. On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Blake wrote: > Damn. Sent this to the generl purpose list by mistake. > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:01:58 -0700, Victor <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to >> build a publishing site. :-) > > Well, publishing in the traditional sense requires many people and > also > some dead trees.<s> > > (Actually, going through the laser game tutorial has given me a > number of > ideas as how traditional Squeak could be improved with some > manual-building tools. But that's a separate issue.) > >> If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point. >> >> Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the >> middleman and everybody else benefits. > > I'm all for it. And as Conrad points out there's Lulu. I would > probably be > uncomfortable releasing a book that didn't have a number of editors > besides myself. (Three is good: One general editor, one very good > language > person, and one tech person.) If I self-publish I have to find (and > pay!) > those people myself. A good editor is worth her weight in gold. > (And I use > "her" here because the best editors I've had have been women.) > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > ---- Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science [hidden email] San Diego State University http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hey Roger, I agree with you 100% because I have been introduced many technologies by simply going to the bookstore.
-Conrad On 10/16/07, Roger Whitney <[hidden email]> wrote: Autopublishing has advantages, but publishing via traditional means _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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My totally unscientific and subjective impression is that the
probabilities to cut a good deal with a publisher are increased after somebody has published in the internet. This belongs in the set of theories yet to be proven. Victor ====================================================== Conrad Taylor wrote: > Hey Roger, I agree with you 100% because I have been introduced many > technologies by simply going to the bookstore. > > -Conrad > > On 10/16/07, *Roger Whitney* <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > Autopublishing has advantages, but publishing via traditional means > also have advantages. Besides having an editor having a Seaside book > in the shelves of bookstores would improve Seaside's visibility. > > On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Blake wrote: > > > Damn. Sent this to the generl purpose list by mistake. > > > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:01:58 -0700, Victor > <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > wrote: > > > >> You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to > >> build a publishing site. :-) > > > > Well, publishing in the traditional sense requires many people and > > also > > some dead trees.<s> > > > > (Actually, going through the laser game tutorial has given me a > > number of > > ideas as how traditional Squeak could be improved with some > > manual-building tools. But that's a separate issue.) > > > >> If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point. > >> > >> Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the > >> middleman and everybody else benefits. > > > > I'm all for it. And as Conrad points out there's Lulu. I would > > probably be > > uncomfortable releasing a book that didn't have a number of editors > > besides myself. (Three is good: One general editor, one very good > > language > > person, and one tech person.) If I self-publish I have to find (and > > pay!) > > those people myself. A good editor is worth her weight in gold. > > (And I use > > "her" here because the best editors I've had have been women.) > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > > ---- > Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> San Diego > State University > http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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we are writing one.
and will be looking for reviewers certainly. Stef On 16 oct. 07, at 04:35, Roger Whitney wrote: > A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of > writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing > projects are proceeding. > > > ---- > Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science > [hidden email] San Diego State University > http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 > (619) 583-1978 (Cell) > (217) 390-6012 > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Stephane, I would like to review the book when it's ready.
-Conrad On 10/17/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: we are writing one. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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Hello everyone,
fresh Seasider here - wanted to try and play with Seaside for Dolphin and stumbled over the documentation served here: http://seaside.st/download/dolphin With Esteban A. Maringolo's port, this documentation is no longer valid. Therefore, I would propose to change the text to (this basically is what he wrote in a reply to me on c.l.s.d.): Download Download Sport, Swazoo and Seaside from: http://emaringolo.users.dolphinmap.net/ Installation Unzip each file in your Dolphin Smalltalk X6 directory. Go to the Dolphin Package Loader and first install Sport (SPort.pac), then Swazoo (Swazoo-Server.pac, Swazoo-Resources.pac, Swazoo-Examples.pac) and finally Seaside (Seaside-Dolphin.pac, Seaside-Swazoo.pac, Seaside.pac). You can then start a Seaside server with the following snippet: | site composite | site := Site new name: 'seaside'. site host: 'localhost' ip: '127.0.0.1' port: 8888. site addResource: (composite := CompositeResource uriPattern: '/'). composite addResource: (SeasideSwazooResource uriPattern: 'seaside'). site start. SwazooServer singleton addSite: site. SwazooServer singleton start. Then point your web browser to: http://localhost:8888/seaside/counter Cheers from cloudy Germany, Claus _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about using Seaside in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, but web? what values it adds to a seaside app? I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside, cheers Sebastian > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > de Claus Kick > Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 14:18 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation > > Hello everyone, > > fresh Seasider here - wanted to try and play with Seaside for > Dolphin and stumbled over the documentation served here: > > http://seaside.st/download/dolphin > > With Esteban A. Maringolo's port, this documentation is no > longer valid. > > Therefore, I would propose to change the text to (this > basically is what he wrote in a reply to me on c.l.s.d.): > > Download > > Download Sport, Swazoo and Seaside from: > http://emaringolo.users.dolphinmap.net/ > > Installation > > Unzip each file in your Dolphin Smalltalk X6 directory. > Go to the Dolphin Package Loader and first install Sport > (SPort.pac), then Swazoo (Swazoo-Server.pac, Swazoo-Resources.pac, > Swazoo-Examples.pac) and finally Seaside > (Seaside-Dolphin.pac, Seaside-Swazoo.pac, Seaside.pac). > > You can then start a Seaside server with the following snippet: > > | site composite | > site := Site new name: 'seaside'. > site host: 'localhost' ip: '127.0.0.1' port: 8888. > site addResource: (composite := CompositeResource uriPattern: '/'). > composite addResource: (SeasideSwazooResource uriPattern: 'seaside'). > site start. > SwazooServer singleton addSite: site. > SwazooServer singleton start. > > Then point your web browser to: > http://localhost:8888/seaside/counter > > Cheers from cloudy Germany, > > Claus > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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Done
2007/10/17, Claus Kick <[hidden email]>: > Hello everyone, > > fresh Seasider here - wanted to try and play with Seaside for Dolphin > and stumbled over the documentation served here: > > http://seaside.st/download/dolphin > > With Esteban A. Maringolo's port, this documentation is no longer valid. > > Therefore, I would propose to change the text to (this basically is what > he wrote in a reply to me on c.l.s.d.): > > Download > > Download Sport, Swazoo and Seaside from: > http://emaringolo.users.dolphinmap.net/ > > Installation > > Unzip each file in your Dolphin Smalltalk X6 directory. > Go to the Dolphin Package Loader and first install Sport (SPort.pac), > then Swazoo (Swazoo-Server.pac, Swazoo-Resources.pac, > Swazoo-Examples.pac) and finally Seaside (Seaside-Dolphin.pac, > Seaside-Swazoo.pac, Seaside.pac). > > You can then start a Seaside server with the following snippet: > > | site composite | > site := Site new name: 'seaside'. > site host: 'localhost' ip: '127.0.0.1' port: 8888. > site addResource: (composite := CompositeResource uriPattern: '/'). > composite addResource: (SeasideSwazooResource uriPattern: 'seaside'). > site start. > SwazooServer singleton addSite: site. > SwazooServer singleton start. > > Then point your web browser to: > http://localhost:8888/seaside/counter > > Cheers from cloudy Germany, > > Claus > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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Good evening Sebastian,
no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;) Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on my account and serve my own website that way. I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious enough to find out :) Cheers from cloudy Germany, Claus Sebastian Sastre wrote: > Greetings Claus, > > don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about using > Seaside in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, > but web? what values it adds to a seaside app? > > I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside, > > cheers > > Sebastian > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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what a relief.. LOL
Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the value". cheers ! Sebastian Sastre PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine again ;) > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > de Claus Kick > Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation > > Good evening Sebastian, > > no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;) > > Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using > Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) > at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop > something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to > allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on > my account and serve my own website that way. > > I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious > enough to find out :) > > Cheers from cloudy Germany, > > Claus > > Sebastian Sastre wrote: > > Greetings Claus, > > > > don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about > using Seaside > > in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, > > but web? what values it adds to a seaside app? > > > > I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside, > > > > cheers > > > > Sebastian > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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Sebastian,
I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it looks to me like English is a second language, but I'm having a real difficult time parsing your post. I'm just trying to figure out what you mean. Nevin what a relief.. LOL Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the value". cheers ! Sebastian Sastre PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine again ;)-----Mensaje original----- De: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] En nombre de Claus Kick Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 Para: Seaside - general discussion Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation Good evening Sebastian, no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;) Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on my account and serve my own website that way. I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious enough to find out :) Cheers from cloudy Germany, Claus Sebastian Sastre wrote: _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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Just want to chip in as both a Squeak and Dolphin user. Dolphin is
more user friendly and stable in terms of UI and that gives me a productivity boost over Squeak. The drawback of Dolphin, IMHO, is not the cost (that is just equivalent to a day or two's developer cost, well worth it). Rather, it is because it is tied to Windows. - Hwee-Boon On 10/18/07, Nevin Pratt <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Sebastian, > > I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it looks to me like English is a > second language, but I'm having a real difficult time parsing your post. > I'm just trying to figure out what you mean. > > Nevin > > > > what a relief.. LOL > > Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk > and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately > that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, > and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that > todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the > value". > > cheers ! > > Sebastian Sastre > PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine > again ;) > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En > nombre > de Claus Kick > Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation > > Good evening Sebastian, > > no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;) > > Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using > Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) > at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop > something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to > allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on > my account and serve my own website that way. > > I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious > enough to find out :) > > Cheers from cloudy Germany, > > Claus > > Sebastian Sastre wrote: > > > Greetings Claus, > > don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about > > using Seaside > > > in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, > but web? what values it adds to a seaside app? > > I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside, > > cheers > > Sebastian > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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In reply to this post by Nevin Pratt
I appreciate a lot criticism because it works.
Constructive or destructive. It's the most effective mechanism I know for
my brain not beign crystalized.
Remember that human languages are informal ones so you
should not stress too much parsing (which is a formal reading) unless you think
you can extract something really valuable from that reading or the ideas around
it. Prioritize the essence of the message the form use to be a mere
support.
To clarify.. it do happens that english is my second
language, in fact I think it's third because I'm less worst with portuguese
which is very familiar to spanish which is my first one. I'm convinced that my
skills with any language are of no value when compared to the overall capability
of succesful message passing. A capability that we, TI people, have allways to
seriously workout. I feel smalltalkers have a chance to be ahead on this
one.
Well, I don't want to bother you nor others, anyway I
comment below my answer. If not enough, please, I'll still interested in knowing
why I was not easily parseable so I'll kindly ask you to tell me which part
you still found unclear?
thanks!
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Re: Re: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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And it does not yet - forever?? - support unicode system.
I also do not have any problem with their stability, usability and even price(Think of VA Smalltalk). Only I need to create internationalized application and Dolphin Smalltalk yet to fully support it. I hope someday Dolphin will resurrect and fill my needs :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Yar Hwee Boon <[hidden email]> To: Seaside - general discussion <[hidden email]> Sent: 07-10-18 12:27:42 Subject: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation Just want to chip in as both a Squeak and Dolphin user. Dolphin is more user friendly and stable in terms of UI and that gives me a productivity boost over Squeak. The drawback of Dolphin, IMHO, is not the cost (that is just equivalent to a day or two's developer cost, well worth it). Rather, it is because it is tied to Windows. - Hwee-Boon On 10/18/07, Nevin Pratt <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Sebastian, > > I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it looks to me like English is a > second language, but I'm having a real difficult time parsing your post. > I'm just trying to figure out what you mean. > > Nevin > > > > what a relief.. LOL > > Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk > and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately > that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, > and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that > todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the > value". > > cheers ! > > Sebastian Sastre > PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine > again ;) > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En > nombre > de Claus Kick > Enviado el: Mi?coles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation > > Good evening Sebastian, > > no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;) > > Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using > Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) > at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop > something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to > allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on > my account and serve my own website that way. > > I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious > enough to find out :) > > Cheers from cloudy Germany, > > Claus > > Sebastian Sastre wrote: > > > Greetings Claus, > > don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about > > using Seaside > > > in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, > but web? what values it adds to a seaside app? > > I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside, > > cheers > > Sebastian > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Re: seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
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And it does not yet - forever?? - support unicode system.
I also do not have any problem with their stability, usability and even price(Think of VA Smalltalk). Only I need to create internationalized application and Dolphin Smalltalk yet to fully support it. I hope someday Dolphin will resurrect and fill my needs :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Yar Hwee Boon <[hidden email]> To: Seaside - general discussion <[hidden email]> Sent: 07-10-18 12:27:42 Subject: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation Just want to chip in as both a Squeak and Dolphin user. Dolphin is more user friendly and stable in terms of UI and that gives me a productivity boost over Squeak. The drawback of Dolphin, IMHO, is not the cost (that is just equivalent to a day or two's developer cost, well worth it). Rather, it is because it is tied to Windows. - Hwee-Boon On 10/18/07, Nevin Pratt <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Sebastian, > > I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it looks to me like English is a > second language, but I'm having a real difficult time parsing your post. > I'm just trying to figure out what you mean. > > Nevin > > > > what a relief.. LOL > > Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk > and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately > that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, > and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that > todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the > value". > > cheers ! > > Sebastian Sastre > PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine > again ;) > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En > nombre > de Claus Kick > Enviado el: Mi?coles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation > > Good evening Sebastian, > > no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;) > > Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using > Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) > at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop > something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to > allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on > my account and serve my own website that way. > > I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious > enough to find out :) > > Cheers from cloudy Germany, > > Claus > > Sebastian Sastre wrote: > > > Greetings Claus, > > don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about > > using Seaside > > > in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, > but web? what values it adds to a seaside app? > > I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside, > > cheers > > Sebastian > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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