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Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux
 
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I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu and not insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the first menu ??
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From: Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> Date: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux To: [hidden email] These actions are in the submenu "extended search". HTH, Adrian On Jul 18, 2009, at 15:00 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > They might be (I'll have to use them for a while), though I would > still like to see especially the browse command along side of > evaluate/inspect/explore in the menus. > ] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:46 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 08:02 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Laurent, >> >> I will preface this by saying that I have had a fairly intense week >> with Pharo. I am closing in on a solution to a real problem. I >> greatly miss Dolphin's Browse-it command, and its F12 and shift-F12 >> (definitions/references to a typed selector); the message search has >> its points, but it takes some extra steps to use in comparison to the >> Dolphin features. > > Isn't Ctrl-b (browse selected class name), Ctrl-m (implementors of > selector), Ctrl-n (senders of selector), and Ctrl-shift-n (class > references) doing the same? I almost never use the message search > but always these shortcuts. > > Adrian > >> Back to the topic at hand; let's see if I am following. Start with a >> core image, run a script that installs what looks like a Pharo web >> image, makes a few changes to settings in favor of speed, and you get >> something that you find faster than Pharo?? Did you make the same >> speed selections in Pharo? If so, one wonders what happened between >> core and Pharo-dev/web that Lukas did not do to the core image. >> >> Sorry if I'm off base here - it's been a long and very good few days. >> >> Bill >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email] >> ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:45 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse >> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> Hi >> >> David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on >> linux. >> Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and on >> which >> machine >> distributions >> vm >> image >> >> please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Hi, >> >> machine: core duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM (White Macbook, 2007) >> distribution: Archlinux >> vm: exupery pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip >> images: pharo0.1-10373dev09.07.2 and latest Pharo-Core >> >> Pharo-Core: (System Browser) >> - startup time: instantaneous >> - navigate randomly in browser: 3% - 8% CPU usage >> - find class OrderedCollection: ~10% CPU >> - browse senders of add: time to open 1s, 21% CPU >> >> Pharo-Dev: (Package Browser) >> - statup time: 3s (cold start 5s) >> - navigate randomly in browser: 9% - 15% CPU usage >> - find class OrderedCollection: ~13% CPU >> - browse senders of add: time to open 19s, 48% CPU >> >> Now I'm using Pharo-Core with Luka's scripts >> (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts >> ) as it's far more pleasant to use for me. >> >> Laurent >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux
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2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:
> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too > frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu and not > insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the first menu > ?? Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]> wrote: 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies.
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Re: Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux
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On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email] > >wrote: > >> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first >>> menu and >> not >>> insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the >>> first >> menu >>> ?? >> >> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) > > > I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. Adrian > > >> >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux
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Documentation is certainly a good thing, but I have been trying to adapt my behavior to take advantage of these shortcuts, and I notice two things: (1) deciding between m/n takes _some_ thought; (2) it is common to be using the mouse to move around among browsers and a workspace or two, at which point I have to move to the keyboard, think up the selector, and then get the benefit.
In an ideal world, I would like to see the menus include these commands. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:08 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou > <[hidden email] > >wrote: > >> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu >>> and >> not >>> insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the >>> first >> menu >>> ?? >> >> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) > > > I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. Adrian > > >> >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:14 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Documentation is certainly a good thing, but I have been trying to > adapt my behavior to take advantage of these shortcuts, and I notice > two things: (1) deciding between m/n takes _some_ thought; (2) it is > common to be using the mouse to move around among browsers and a > workspace or two, at which point I have to move to the keyboard, > think up the selector, and then get the benefit. > > In an ideal world, I would like to see the menus include these > commands. But they are included in the menu -- just not at the top level (see my previous mail). If we start to add more stuff at the top ('tally it' and 'watch it' are already questionable in my opinion), then we end up again with unusable menus like those of Squeak. Adrian > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email] > ] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:08 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo > apparently slow on linux > > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou >> <[hidden email] >>> wrote: >> >>> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >>>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first >>>> menu >>>> and >>> not >>>> insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the >>>> first >>> menu >>>> ?? >>> >>> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >>> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) >> >> >> I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. > > I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a > FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. > > Adrian > >> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >>> popular by not having them." James Iry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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(1) deciding between m/n takes _some_ thought;
I*m*plementors Se*n*ders (2) it is common to be using the mouse to move around among browsers and a workspace or two, at which point I have to move to the keyboard, think up the selector, and then get the benefit. > > In an ideal world, I would like to see the menus include these commands. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:08 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux > > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou >> <[hidden email] >> >wrote: >> >>> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >>>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu >>>> and >>> not >>>> insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the >>>> first >>> menu >>>> ?? >>> >>> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >>> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) >> >> >> I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. > > I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a > FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. > > Adrian > >> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >>> popular by not having them." James Iry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes, you are right and no one of us want that. I only think implementors and senders were used far more than the others like "tall it", "watch it", etc
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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:58 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>
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Yes, you are right and no one of us want that. I only think implementors and senders were used far more than the others like "tall it", "watch it", etc
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