Smalltalk Web Host Opens

Smalltalk Web Host Opens

The World's First Commercial Smalltalk Web Host:
 
    - 60,000 word learners blog with screenshots and Hello World
    - choose your own domain name unlike http://www.seasidehosting.st
    - better server uptime than http://www.squeak.org
    - email support 9-5 M-F Eastern Standard Time
    - host a regular site (Perl/PHP) and incorporate as much Smalltalk as
you like
    - $29.99 CAD per month

http://www.seasideparasol.com


"Possibly, it wasn't simply arrogance, though the PARC researchers did see
themselves as the Davids who were busy slaying the Goliath of corporate
time-sharing computing. It was, rather, something deeper, something that was
probably just a function of human nature. It was a pattern that had already
been repeated a number of times in computing history and would ultimately be
repeated many more times. Even with a strong intellectual grasp of the
consequences of Moore's Law, it has proven almost impossible for the members
of any given generation of computing technology to accept the fact that it
will be cannibalized by an upcoming generation. Many of the PARC researchers
were aware of the computing hobbyist movement, but because the tiny little
machines could hardly do anything they were easy to ignore or dismiss as
toys. Later, Alan Kay took pleasure in poking fun at the Homebrewers by
saying that the hobbyists actually enjoyed their machines more when they
were broken, because then they could actually do something with them."

John Markoff   "What The Dormouse Said", (2005), page 251

Chris Cunnington
Toronto




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>     - choose your own domain name unlike http://www.seasidehosting.st

Since you directly compare it I have to correct you: Choosing your own
domain name has always been possible on seasidehosting.st (see for
example http://swiki.gsug.org/), you just had to ask us to tweak the
model as there was no user-interface. I quickly threw in a few
Magritte descriptions and now everybody can define an additional
host-alias to his account from the user-interface. For free of course.

Have fun,
Lukas

--
Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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Hi and Thanks Philippe ;)
yes that would be cool ;)
>
> Or general answers like: a seaside session uses x MB of RAM and Squeak
> on a Y GHz CPU supports Z concurrent users?
but yes this is exactly the kind of information I'd like to have. I
imagine it's very dependent of the application itself, but at least
having a general idea for a generic application (sushi store ?)... and
also to have comparison data (if possible) of similar app in say php,
just to compare (even if speculative).  same order ? php with mysql for
a simple registration app would be able to serve 100 simultaneous
connections whereas squeak seaside 10 if DBR or 20 if ...

I don't want precise figure but general ones... according to your
experiences...
>
>> On the server I mentionned, using a debian, I notice that only hitting a
>> seaside app. led to 50-60% proc use. Is it normal ?
>
> Continuous or just a spike to answer the request? The later is normal,
> the former not.
just a spike... so  it's ok, but under linux, it takes longer...  but
it's maybe related to the fact firefox(linux) takes more time to render...
> Our general experience is that the persistence is what limits you.
ok. What about persistance in the image ? faster ? probably requires
more RAM to run squeak ?

If using a database, it's probably better to serve it from another
server if possible ?

> This is common for some applications. There are two problems here:
> - One is that the vm hits the memory limit (128 MB per default).
> Symptom: image is frozen at 100% CPU. You can try to play around with
> the -memory and -mmap parameters. That might make it to appear less
> often.
I read a post in squeak dev saying that the processor wasn't of first
importance, but more the RAM...
On a 1Gb server, you'll put -memory 1Gb   or less ?
> - The other is that gui is frozen. Symptom: image is frozen at 0% CPU.
> Suspending and resuming the UI with the screenshot application several
> times might make the ui reacting again until it freezes the next time.
I had a similar problem before probably due to Comet. Since the priority
has been changed, I didn't have this problem anymore ;)


Thanks

Cédrick

ps: I think it would be nice to have somewhere in seaside.st the process
to enter production (prepared image, known vm that works well, ...) as
well as advices... (persistance,  session management, limits...) ;)
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Hi chris

now it is time for a meta remark.
While we are really happy to see this kind of business happening in  
our community,
I think that (for a lot of reasons) your marketing approach does not  
really work well.
So good luck, but pay attention a blog is not a documentation and pay  
attention because
seasidehosting is run by some seaside gurus. So better get friends  
with them ...

Stef



On 11 déc. 06, at 18:17, Chris Cunnington wrote:

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