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Nicolas Petton

SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

Hi,

We've been working on a new code repository & project management
application for Smalltalk with ESUG named SmalltalkHub.

If everything goes fine, the app should be in public beta in a week.
The source code of SmalltalkHub will be available at the same moment
(the project itself is hosted by SmalltalkHub).

Here's a screenshot in the meantime.
http://nicolas-petton.fr/2011/04/06/smalltalkhub-beta-in-a-week.html

Cheers,
Nicolas
--
Nicolas Petton
http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

Tudor Girba

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?

Cheers,
Doru

On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:00, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We've been working on a new code repository & project management
> application for Smalltalk with ESUG named SmalltalkHub.
>
> If everything goes fine, the app should be in public beta in a week.
> The source code of SmalltalkHub will be available at the same moment
> (the project itself is hosted by SmalltalkHub).
>
> Here's a screenshot in the meantime.
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/2011/04/06/smalltalkhub-beta-in-a-week.html
>
> Cheers,
> Nicolas
> --
> Nicolas Petton
> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr
>
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Being happy is a matter of choice."

Nicolas Petton

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

Le mercredi 06 avril 2011 à 13:07 +0200, Tudor Girba a écrit :
> Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?

There is nothing at the moment to migrate.

I guess you'll just have to move your packages from squeaksource to
smalltalkhub, so a simple script could do the trick.

Cheers,
Nicolas

--
Nicolas Petton
http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote:

Le mercredi 06 avril 2011 à 13:07 +0200, Tudor Girba a écrit :

> Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?

There is nothing at the moment to migrate.

I guess you'll just have to move your packages from squeaksource to
smalltalkhub, so a simple script could do the trick.

This is awesome. THanks ESUG!

And the history? I mean, is this a new front end for a squeaksource server ?

thanks

Cheers,
Nicolas

--
Nicolas Petton
http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

--
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Fernando olivero-2

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

Excellent ! It's time to move past squeaksource.com.

Would be nice to know the features that will be offered, at least in
comparison with current squeaksource (besides the image crashing, and
bothering the always helpful Bern phd students).

Fernando

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Le mercredi 06 avril 2011 à 13:07 +0200, Tudor Girba a écrit :
>> > Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a
>> > possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?
>>
>> There is nothing at the moment to migrate.
>>
>> I guess you'll just have to move your packages from squeaksource to
>> smalltalkhub, so a simple script could do the trick.
>
> This is awesome. THanks ESUG!
>
> And the history? I mean, is this a new front end for a squeaksource server
> ?
>
> thanks
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nicolas
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Petton
>> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>
>

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

What we ask is:

- scripting api so that we do not have to click click click click but write programs
- tagging of projects
- management of projects (admin I want to be able to tag projects with students and do not see them).
- handling of ^%$$%&*#^&*^$&$* long list of any items

- in the future: a solid backend

Basically we need scalability at the interface level.

Now INRIA gracefully will offer a real back up of data (replicated in three different labs) and people will be able to
use smalltalkhub and burn the machine processors :).

Stef

On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Fernando Olivero wrote:

> Excellent ! It's time to move past squeaksource.com.
>
> Would be nice to know the features that will be offered, at least in
> comparison with current squeaksource (besides the image crashing, and
> bothering the always helpful Bern phd students).
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le mercredi 06 avril 2011 à 13:07 +0200, Tudor Girba a écrit :
>>>> Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a
>>>> possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?
>>>
>>> There is nothing at the moment to migrate.
>>>
>>> I guess you'll just have to move your packages from squeaksource to
>>> smalltalkhub, so a simple script could do the trick.
>>
>> This is awesome. THanks ESUG!
>>
>> And the history? I mean, is this a new front end for a squeaksource server
>> ?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nicolas
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nicolas Petton
>>> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mariano
>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>
>>
>

Adrian Lienhard

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba

Wow, looks great!

I think it's a good idea to *not* automatically migrate projects from SqueakSource ;). It's an opportunity to get rid of a lot of cruft that has accumulated on SqueakSource during the last years...

Cheers,
Adrian

On Apr 6, 2011, at 13:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:

> Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:00, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We've been working on a new code repository & project management
>> application for Smalltalk with ESUG named SmalltalkHub.
>>
>> If everything goes fine, the app should be in public beta in a week.
>> The source code of SmalltalkHub will be available at the same moment
>> (the project itself is hosted by SmalltalkHub).
>>
>> Here's a screenshot in the meantime.
>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/2011/04/06/smalltalkhub-beta-in-a-week.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nicolas
>> --
>> Nicolas Petton
>> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr
>>
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Being happy is a matter of choice."
>
>
>
>

Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:

Wow, looks great!

I think it's a good idea to *not* automatically migrate projects from SqueakSource ;). It's an opportunity to get rid of a lot of cruft that has accumulated on SqueakSource during the last years...

+1 But providing a tool/script so that we know how to migrate manually our own projects is a nice nice nice wish :)

Cheers,
Adrian

On Apr 6, 2011, at 13:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:

> Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:00, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We've been working on a new code repository & project management
>> application for Smalltalk with ESUG named SmalltalkHub.
>>
>> If everything goes fine, the app should be in public beta in a week.
>> The source code of SmalltalkHub will be available at the same moment
>> (the project itself is hosted by SmalltalkHub).
>>
>> Here's a screenshot in the meantime.
>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/2011/04/06/smalltalkhub-beta-in-a-week.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nicolas
>> --
>> Nicolas Petton
>> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr
>>
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Being happy is a matter of choice."
>
>
>
>

--
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Janko Mivšek

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Adrian Lienhard

On 06. 04. 2011 18:34, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
> Wow, looks great!
>
> I think it's a good idea to *not* automatically migrate projects from SqueakSource ;). It's an opportunity to get rid of a lot of cruft that has accumulated on SqueakSource during the last years...

But still there can be something good and valuable. I'd migrate that
with some #archive tag or something.

The same goes with code from other Smalltalks. Like Smalltalk Goodies
archive back from 90's, there are quite some interesting code, which I'm
still using.

Best regards
Janko

>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2011, at 13:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
>
>> Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:00, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We've been working on a new code repository & project management
>>> application for Smalltalk with ESUG named SmalltalkHub.
>>>
>>> If everything goes fine, the app should be in public beta in a week.
>>> The source code of SmalltalkHub will be available at the same moment
>>> (the project itself is hosted by SmalltalkHub).
>>>
>>> Here's a screenshot in the meantime.
>>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/2011/04/06/smalltalkhub-beta-in-a-week.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nicolas
>>> --
>>> Nicolas Petton
>>> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

--
Janko Mivšek
Aida/Web
Smalltalk Web Application Server
http://www.aidaweb.si

Noury Bouraqadi-2

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Nicolas Petton

Cool! I guess you didn't you use JTalkST (too young), did you?

On 6 avr. 2011, at 13:00, Nicolas Petton wrote:

Noury

Tudor Girba

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Janko Mivšek

Hi,

Unless there is a scalability issue, I would not discard anything from squeaksource. I believe the evolution is too valuable to simply drop it.

But, maybe there are practical reasons.

In any case, the idea of having programatic access is really cool. I would love to use that for analysis purposes.

Cheers,
Doru

On 6 Apr 2011, at 18:46, Janko Mivšek wrote:

> On 06. 04. 2011 18:34, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>> Wow, looks great!
>>
>> I think it's a good idea to *not* automatically migrate projects from SqueakSource ;). It's an opportunity to get rid of a lot of cruft that has accumulated on SqueakSource during the last years...
>
> But still there can be something good and valuable. I'd migrate that
> with some #archive tag or something.
>
> The same goes with code from other Smalltalks. Like Smalltalk Goodies
> archive back from 90's, there are quite some interesting code, which I'm
> still using.
>
> Best regards
> Janko
>
>
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2011, at 13:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:00, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We've been working on a new code repository & project management
>>>> application for Smalltalk with ESUG named SmalltalkHub.
>>>>
>>>> If everything goes fine, the app should be in public beta in a week.
>>>> The source code of SmalltalkHub will be available at the same moment
>>>> (the project itself is hosted by SmalltalkHub).
>>>>
>>>> Here's a screenshot in the meantime.
>>>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/2011/04/06/smalltalkhub-beta-in-a-week.html
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nicolas
>>>> --
>>>> Nicolas Petton
>>>> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr
>
>
> --
> Janko Mivšek
> Aida/Web
> Smalltalk Web Application Server
> http://www.aidaweb.si
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"One cannot do more than one can do."

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Mariano Martinez Peck

But you have the tool:
Gofer :)

Stef

On Apr 6, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Wow, looks great!
>
> I think it's a good idea to *not* automatically migrate projects from SqueakSource ;). It's an opportunity to get rid of a lot of cruft that has accumulated on SqueakSource during the last years...
>
>
> +1 But providing a tool/script so that we know how to migrate manually our own projects is a nice nice nice wish :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2011, at 13:07 , Tudor Girba wrote:
>
> > Phenomenal stuff :). I cannot wait to use it. Will there be a possibility to migrate the existing squeaksource there?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On 6 Apr 2011, at 13:00, Nicolas Petton wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> We've been working on a new code repository & project management
> >> application for Smalltalk with ESUG named SmalltalkHub.
> >>
> >> If everything goes fine, the app should be in public beta in a week.
> >> The source code of SmalltalkHub will be available at the same moment
> >> (the project itself is hosted by SmalltalkHub).
> >>
> >> Here's a screenshot in the meantime.
> >> http://nicolas-petton.fr/2011/04/06/smalltalkhub-beta-in-a-week.html
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Nicolas
> >> --
> >> Nicolas Petton
> >> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > www.tudorgirba.com
> >
> > "Being happy is a matter of choice."
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba

> Hi,
>
> Unless there is a scalability issue, I would not discard anything from squeaksource. I believe the evolution is too valuable to simply drop it.
>
> But, maybe there are practical reasons.

May be we could have a second server where we copy everything there. We will see how we will manage that.
The query are important because we can identify
created but unused
created but dormant
created but not used
...
and tag them

> In any case, the idea of having programatic access is really cool. I would love to use that for analysis purposes.

:)
I did not guess on that one :)
and with the new EyeSee we may expect to have some cool looking infrastructure.

Nicolas Petton

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Noury Bouraqadi-2

Le mercredi 06 avril 2011 à 20:30 +0200, Noury Bouraqadi a écrit :
> Cool! I guess you didn't you use JTalkST (too young), did you?

No, it's too young to be used in real world apps. Maybe in the future ;)

cheers,
Nico

--
Nicolas Petton
http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

SergeStinckwich

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Unless there is a scalability issue, I would not discard anything from squeaksource. I believe the evolution is too valuable to simply drop it.
>
> But, maybe there are practical reasons.
>
> In any case, the idea of having programatic access is really cool. I would love to use that for analysis purposes.

Yes you are right, it might be difficult to say what is important and
what is not.
If you take the example of github and look at the explore dashboard
here: https://github.com/explore
you see only repositories with a lot of activities or the trendiest one.

I guess there is also a lot of repositories non active or dormant on
github also and nobody cares about that.
You just need enough disk space ;-)

Regards,
--
Serge Stinckwich
UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Randal L. Schwartz

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

In reply to this post by Janko Mivšek

>>>>> "Janko" == Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> writes:

>> I think it's a good idea to *not* automatically migrate projects from SqueakSource ;). It's an opportunity to get rid of a lot of cruft that has accumulated on SqueakSource during the last years...

Janko> But still there can be something good and valuable. I'd migrate that
Janko> with some #archive tag or something.

It's not like Squeaksource is going away any time soon.

Remember, Pharo isn't the *only* Squeak out there. If the Pharo team
wants to move off Squeaksource, that's great! We were already talking
about how to tag various packages as "squeak-only" or "pharo-only".
This simplifies that.

--
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SergeStinckwich

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Randal L. Schwartz
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>>>>>> "Janko" == Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> writes:
>
>>> I think it's a good idea to *not* automatically migrate projects from SqueakSource ;). It's an opportunity to get rid of a lot of cruft that has accumulated on SqueakSource during the last years...
>
> Janko> But still there can be something good and valuable. I'd migrate that
> Janko> with some #archive tag or something.
>
> It's not like Squeaksource is going away any time soon.
>
> Remember, Pharo isn't the *only* Squeak out there. If the Pharo team
> wants to move off Squeaksource, that's great! We were already talking
> about how to tag various packages as "squeak-only" or "pharo-only".
> This simplifies that.

Yes, but this SmalltalkHub not PharoHub ;-)

Regards.
--
Serge Stinckwich
UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Randal L. Schwartz

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

>>>>> "Serge" == Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> writes:

Serge> Yes, but this SmalltalkHub not PharoHub ;-)

Oh, did I miss the parallel announcement on squeak-dev? Sorry.

--
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<[hidden email]> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

SergeStinckwich

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Randal L. Schwartz
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> "Serge" == Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> Serge> Yes, but this SmalltalkHub not PharoHub ;-)
>
> Oh, did I miss the parallel announcement on squeak-dev? Sorry.

There was no announcement on squeak-dev.
Nicolas forget about that i guess.

Regards,
--
Serge Stinckwich
UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Randal L. Schwartz

Re: SmalltalkHub going beta in a week

>>>>> "Serge" == Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> writes:

Serge> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Randal L. Schwartz
Serge> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Serge" == Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> writes:
>>
Serge> Yes, but this SmalltalkHub not PharoHub ;-)
>>
>> Oh, did I miss the parallel announcement on squeak-dev? Sorry.

Serge> There was no announcement on squeak-dev.
Serge> Nicolas forget about that i guess.

OK, so if this is a general replacement for Squeaksource, the "tagging"
issue comes up again. How do we identify which branch of Squeak a
package might be for? And can we maintain forks for those things that
require it?

--
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