Some questions about pharo
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Hello =)
I have a few questions: - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to open the GUI and use the debugger) - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). Adrien. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]>
Not that I am aware of. However, what you can do is to run the image as headless and have VNC running on in. Then, from any machine with a VNC client you can connect, see the World, and use it. Once I was thinking to hack a little and see if I can use the UIDummyMananger of PharoKernel but on a Pharo non-headless. And see if there was a way to not show any way, but then, after if you wanted, you just needed to change the UIManager. But I have no idea if this could work.
I don't know :(
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See <http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc>.
Cheers, Lukas 2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]>: > Hello =) > > I have a few questions: > > - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical > interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to > open the GUI and use the debugger) > > - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched > it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). > > Adrien. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Adrien
did you have a look at Display>>startUp "DisplayScreen startUp" Display setExtent: self actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. Display beDisplay this is what is happening when an image is launched can you try to execute Display setExtent: self actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. Display beDisplay in a script? Or may be you could - avoid the headless argument when running the image and - have a flag there and make sure that you invoke Display setExtent: self actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. Display beDisplay when an error have. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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The Windows vm displays a system tray icon that allows the image to leave the headless state. It has been quite useful, but there should be (hopefully is) a way to prevent that.
________________________________________ From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli [[hidden email]] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:09 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo See <http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc>. Cheers, Lukas 2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]>: > Hello =) > > I have a few questions: > > - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical > interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to > open the GUI and use the debugger) > > - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched > it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). > > Adrien. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: Adrien The problem I think that if you send -headless to the VM.....you cannot change it...I mean, It doesn't care what you do in the image side. But maybe i am wrong.
Yes, I think this way should be easier. Not sure if possible, thought. Cheers mariano
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]> wrote: The Windows vm displays a system tray icon that allows the image to leave the headless state. It has been quite useful, but there should be (hopefully is) a way to prevent that. ahh yes?? That's cool! do you know if this is possible also with other VMs ?
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Possible? Sure :) You are of course asking whether it has been done, and I do not know the answer to that. It is indeed a nice feature. It is also one of those things that can also be classified as a bug ("The stupid user clicked this and caused all kinds of trouble..."), so it should be made conditional allowing truly headless operation when appropriate.
Another option is to remote into a headless image as Lukas suggested. Bill ________________________________________ From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck [[hidden email]] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 3:30 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: The Windows vm displays a system tray icon that allows the image to leave the headless state. It has been quite useful, but there should be (hopefully is) a way to prevent that. ahh yes?? That's cool! do you know if this is possible also with other VMs ? ________________________________________ From: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> [[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli [[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:09 PM To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo See <http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc>. Cheers, Lukas 2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>: > Hello =) > > I have a few questions: > > - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical > interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to > open the GUI and use the debugger) > > - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched > it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). > > Adrien. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch<http://www.lukas-renggli.ch> _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The Windows vm displays a system tray icon that allows the image to leave the headless state. It has been quite useful, but there should be (hopefully is) a way to prevent that. I think that someone asked on squeak-dev some time ago and Andreas told that it is not possible with the standard VM. -- Pavel > ________________________________________ > From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli [[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:09 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo > > See <http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc>. > > Cheers, > Lukas > > 2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]>: >> Hello =) >> >> I have a few questions: >> >> - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical >> interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to >> open the GUI and use the debugger) >> >> - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched >> it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). >> >> Adrien. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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in this case we should focus on the next item and provide two images one for the debugging scenario and one for normal running of script.
Stef On Oct 18, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]> wrote: >> The Windows vm displays a system tray icon that allows the image to leave the headless state. It has been quite useful, but there should be (hopefully is) a way to prevent that. > > I think that someone asked on squeak-dev some time ago and Andreas > told that it is not possible with the standard VM. > > -- Pavel > > >> ________________________________________ >> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli [[hidden email]] >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:09 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo >> >> See <http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc>. >> >> Cheers, >> Lukas >> >> 2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]>: >>> Hello =) >>> >>> I have a few questions: >>> >>> - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical >>> interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to >>> open the GUI and use the debugger) >>> >>> - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched >>> it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). >>> >>> Adrien. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]>:
> - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical > interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to > open the GUI and use the debugger) It depends. If your headless Pharo image is running on a unix VM you could utilize the genius OSProcess/XDisplayControl plugin available for this VM. Load the appropriate packages from [1] into your Pharo image and then you can close and reopen the window even on another machine if it's running X11. For example this OSProcess thisOSProcess closeXDisplay. (Delay forSeconds: 5) wait. OSProcess thisOSProcess displayOnXServer: ':0.0'. will close the Window (headless) and reopen it (headful) again on the local X server after five seconds. If you're using Seaside in that image you could trigger window open/close via Seaside or you could change the default handler for errors to make the window open on the local display as a default, ... Alex [1] http://www.squeaksource.com/OSProcess _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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This is neat.
Thanks for the information. Stef On Oct 18, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Alexander Lazarević wrote: > 2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <[hidden email]>: >> - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical >> interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to >> open the GUI and use the debugger) > > It depends. If your headless Pharo image is running on a unix VM you > could utilize the genius OSProcess/XDisplayControl plugin available > for this VM. Load the appropriate packages from [1] into your Pharo > image and then you can close and reopen the window even on another > machine if it's running X11. For example this > > OSProcess thisOSProcess closeXDisplay. > (Delay forSeconds: 5) wait. > OSProcess thisOSProcess displayOnXServer: ':0.0'. > > will close the Window (headless) and reopen it (headful) again on the > local X server after five seconds. > If you're using Seaside in that image you could trigger window > open/close via Seaside or you could change the default handler for > errors to make the window open on the local display as a default, ... > > Alex > > [1] http://www.squeaksource.com/OSProcess > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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