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petdvo
Hello,

I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
(SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge - a bootable CD) on
DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM, integrated Intel
82865G Graphics card).
With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working except of the wheel),
graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.


Cheers,

Petr Dvorak

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Re: [SqNOS] SqueakNOS on Dell Optiplex

Guido Chari
That's very good news!

Keep in touch cause we are planning to upload a new release on this or next week.

Probably mouse wheel will be fixed.

Cheers,
Guido.

2011/3/14 <[hidden email]>
Hello,

I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
(SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge - a bootable CD) on
DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM, integrated Intel
82865G Graphics card).
With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working except of the wheel),
graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.


Cheers,

Petr Dvorak

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Re: [SqNOS] SqueakNOS on Dell Optiplex

Michael J. Zeder
Hello,

that's great, looking forwrd to the next version of SqueakNOS!
Building up a good documentation would also be very nice, for it helps starters to get into hacking SqueakNOS, something were I currently hit constraints.
A ARM port would be great!! Maybe there can be a common trunk, so development can progress in parallel on both platforms...?

Thanks and cheers
Michael



Am 14.03.2011 um 16:47 schrieb Guido Chari:

That's very good news!

Keep in touch cause we are planning to upload a new release on this or next week.

Probably mouse wheel will be fixed.

Cheers,
Guido.

2011/3/14 <[hidden email]>
Hello,

I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
(SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge - a bootable CD) on
DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM, integrated Intel
82865G Graphics card).
With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working except of the wheel),
graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.


Cheers,

Petr Dvorak

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Re: [SqNOS] SqueakNOS on Dell Optiplex

petdvo
>Hello Petr,
>
>Unfortunately we don't have much documentation. Basicaly because
>SqueakNOS
>>is based on SqueakVM and SqueakVM is not very well documented.
>
>However, with the new release we will upload on next days, we will
>probably
>>add some links to most of the documents we have read to gain
>expierence with
>>squeakVM low-level stuff.
>

Would be great. :)

>It would be really nice to have squeakNOS ported to ARM. I think
>there is
>>already a port to arm for the SqueakVM. I don't know exactly its
>status. But
>>it should not be hard to merge that with SqueakNos cause as i
>already said,
>>SqueakNOS virtual machine is almost similar to Squeak VM. There are
>not
>>much changes to the vm, the idea is to work as much as possible on
>image
>>side.
>

Yes, there is ARM port as I know, I've seen squeak running on Google
G1 phone, which is arm based. The plattform I'd like to use for some
embedded apps (one is brushless motor control) already have its own
Linux distribution, I am planning to install Squeak/Pharo on top of
it in the first step, but standalone Squeak would be nicer ;). (I
want to use Squeak for non-realtime tasks and for displaying,
realtime tasks are performed by FPGA chip onboard .. I think it
could be also interesting to use this FPGA to implement some
performance critical tasks as a kind of primitive call from squeak)

>Anyway, feel free to email any doubt on the list.
>
>Cheers,
>Guido.


> Hello,
>
> that's great, looking forwrd to the next version
> of SqueakNOS!
> Building up a good documentation would also be
> very nice, for it helps starters to get into
> hacking SqueakNOS, something were I currently hit
> constraints.

Well, I din't really started yet with NOS, but I agree. Squeak
documentation is the weak part ..

> A ARM port would be great!! Maybe there can be a
> common trunk, so development can progress in
> parallel on both platforms...?
>
> Thanks and cheers
> Michael

I suppose it should still be just one project, just the loader and
VM may be different slighlty. Howewer I am interested in supporting
hardware that may be uncommon in PC's or even mobile phones I think.
The one of first things I need to get working is the armadeus's
i.MX<->FPGA interconnection which is essential for this computer.

>
> Am 14.03.2011 um 16:47 schrieb Guido Chari:
>
> > That's very good news!
> >
> > Keep in touch cause we are planning to upload a
> > new release on this or next week.
> > >
> > Probably mouse wheel will be fixed.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Guido.

I am looking forward eagerly. :)

> > 2011/3/14 <[hidden email]>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
> > (SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge
> > - a bootable CD) on
> > > DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM,
> > integrated Intel
> > > 82865G Graphics card).
> > With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working
> > except of the wheel),
> > > graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Petr Dvorak
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SqueakNOS mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SqueakNOS mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
> >
>


Greetings,

Petr

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Re: [SqNOS] SqueakNOS on Dell Optiplex

Michael J. Zeder
everthing sounds great ;)

one more general question regarding the future direction of sqNOS: Are there plans, or considerations on making the new CogVM the basis of SqNOS. I have no idea, if that would be an easy or a major task, but the performance advantages seem attractive to me...

cheers
michael



ps: sorry for messing up the threads, i got something wrong.

Am 17.03.2011 um 15:40 schrieb [hidden email]:

>> Hello Petr,
>>
>> Unfortunately we don't have much documentation. Basicaly because
>> SqueakNOS
>>> is based on SqueakVM and SqueakVM is not very well documented.
>>
>> However, with the new release we will upload on next days, we will
>> probably
>>> add some links to most of the documents we have read to gain
>> expierence with
>>> squeakVM low-level stuff.
>>
>
> Would be great. :)
>
>> It would be really nice to have squeakNOS ported to ARM. I think
>> there is
>>> already a port to arm for the SqueakVM. I don't know exactly its
>> status. But
>>> it should not be hard to merge that with SqueakNos cause as i
>> already said,
>>> SqueakNOS virtual machine is almost similar to Squeak VM. There are
>> not
>>> much changes to the vm, the idea is to work as much as possible on
>> image
>>> side.
>>
>
> Yes, there is ARM port as I know, I've seen squeak running on Google
> G1 phone, which is arm based. The plattform I'd like to use for some
> embedded apps (one is brushless motor control) already have its own
> Linux distribution, I am planning to install Squeak/Pharo on top of
> it in the first step, but standalone Squeak would be nicer ;). (I
> want to use Squeak for non-realtime tasks and for displaying,
> realtime tasks are performed by FPGA chip onboard .. I think it
> could be also interesting to use this FPGA to implement some
> performance critical tasks as a kind of primitive call from squeak)
>
>> Anyway, feel free to email any doubt on the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Guido.
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> that's great, looking forwrd to the next version
>> of SqueakNOS!
>> Building up a good documentation would also be
>> very nice, for it helps starters to get into
>> hacking SqueakNOS, something were I currently hit
>> constraints.
>
> Well, I din't really started yet with NOS, but I agree. Squeak
> documentation is the weak part ..
>
>> A ARM port would be great!! Maybe there can be a
>> common trunk, so development can progress in
>> parallel on both platforms...?
>>
>> Thanks and cheers
>> Michael
>
> I suppose it should still be just one project, just the loader and
> VM may be different slighlty. Howewer I am interested in supporting
> hardware that may be uncommon in PC's or even mobile phones I think.
> The one of first things I need to get working is the armadeus's
> i.MX<->FPGA interconnection which is essential for this computer.
>
>>
>> Am 14.03.2011 um 16:47 schrieb Guido Chari:
>>
>>> That's very good news!
>>>
>>> Keep in touch cause we are planning to upload a
>>> new release on this or next week.
>>>>
>>> Probably mouse wheel will be fixed.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guido.
>
> I am looking forward eagerly. :)
>
>>> 2011/3/14 <[hidden email]>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
>>> (SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge
>>> - a bootable CD) on
>>>> DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM,
>>> integrated Intel
>>>> 82865G Graphics card).
>>> With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working
>>> except of the wheel),
>>>> graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Petr Dvorak
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SqueakNOS mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SqueakNOS mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
>>>
>>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Petr
>
> _______________________________________________
> SqueakNOS mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos

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Re: [SqNOS] SqueakNOS on Dell Optiplex

melkyades
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Michael J. Zeder <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello,

that's great, looking forwrd to the next version of SqueakNOS!
Building up a good documentation would also be very nice, for it helps starters to get into hacking SqueakNOS, something were I currently hit constraints.
A ARM port would be great!! Maybe there can be a common trunk, so development can progress in parallel on both platforms...?

Sure. The needed stuff for the image is in squeaksource and the VM source code is in Git, so anybody can clone and start from there. We could then merge any changes needed for the ARM port. The only catch is to follow this philosophy: "Do as much as you can at the image level. Don't do anything in the VM unless it's really necessary." There may be exceptions, of course.

Regards,
           Javier.


Thanks and cheers
Michael



Am 14.03.2011 um 16:47 schrieb Guido Chari:

That's very good news!

Keep in touch cause we are planning to upload a new release on this or next week.

Probably mouse wheel will be fixed.

Cheers,
Guido.

2011/3/14 <[hidden email]>
Hello,

I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
(SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge - a bootable CD) on
DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM, integrated Intel
82865G Graphics card).
With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working except of the wheel),
graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.


Cheers,

Petr Dvorak

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Re: [SqNOS] SqueakNOS on Dell Optiplex

melkyades
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A nice way of starting is booting and going step by step in simple tasks. For example, to see what happens when you write to disk, add this to ATADevice>>at: method

ShouldHalt ifNil: [ ShouldHalt := false. self halt ].

if sources are loaded (which I think it's true), when you open a method in the browser the breakpoint will be reached.

to understand squeaknos internals, the blog is a good start.

As for the Pharo VM, you may want to read 


but if you are just starting, I would recommend playing with the live system a while before getting to the internals.

Regards!
          Javier.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:40 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Hello Petr,
>
>Unfortunately we don't have much documentation. Basicaly because
>SqueakNOS
>>is based on SqueakVM and SqueakVM is not very well documented.
>
>However, with the new release we will upload on next days, we will
>probably
>>add some links to most of the documents we have read to gain
>expierence with
>>squeakVM low-level stuff.
>

Would be great. :)

>It would be really nice to have squeakNOS ported to ARM. I think
>there is
>>already a port to arm for the SqueakVM. I don't know exactly its
>status. But
>>it should not be hard to merge that with SqueakNos cause as i
>already said,
>>SqueakNOS virtual machine is almost similar to Squeak VM. There are
>not
>>much changes to the vm, the idea is to work as much as possible on
>image
>>side.
>

Yes, there is ARM port as I know, I've seen squeak running on Google
G1 phone, which is arm based. The plattform I'd like to use for some
embedded apps (one is brushless motor control) already have its own
Linux distribution, I am planning to install Squeak/Pharo on top of
it in the first step, but standalone Squeak would be nicer ;). (I
want to use Squeak for non-realtime tasks and for displaying,
realtime tasks are performed by FPGA chip onboard .. I think it
could be also interesting to use this FPGA to implement some
performance critical tasks as a kind of primitive call from squeak)

>Anyway, feel free to email any doubt on the list.
>
>Cheers,
>Guido.


> Hello,
>
> that's great, looking forwrd to the next version
> of SqueakNOS!
> Building up a good documentation would also be
> very nice, for it helps starters to get into
> hacking SqueakNOS, something were I currently hit
> constraints.

Well, I din't really started yet with NOS, but I agree. Squeak
documentation is the weak part ..

> A ARM port would be great!! Maybe there can be a
> common trunk, so development can progress in
> parallel on both platforms...?
>
> Thanks and cheers
> Michael

I suppose it should still be just one project, just the loader and
VM may be different slighlty. Howewer I am interested in supporting
hardware that may be uncommon in PC's or even mobile phones I think.
The one of first things I need to get working is the armadeus's
i.MX<->FPGA interconnection which is essential for this computer.

>
> Am 14.03.2011 um 16:47 schrieb Guido Chari:
>
> > That's very good news!
> >
> > Keep in touch cause we are planning to upload a
> > new release on this or next week.
> > >
> > Probably mouse wheel will be fixed.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Guido.

I am looking forward eagerly. :)

> > 2011/3/14 <[hidden email]>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
> > (SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge
> > - a bootable CD) on
> > > DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM,
> > integrated Intel
> > > 82865G Graphics card).
> > With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working
> > except of the wheel),
> > > graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Petr Dvorak
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SqueakNOS mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SqueakNOS mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
> >
>


Greetings,

Petr

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Re: [SqNOS] SqueakNOS on Dell Optiplex

melkyades
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Of course, we want to support Cog. That would require to adapt the makefiles (or create newones), and then see if there are other problems (if there are, they shouldn't be big). It doesn't seem to be a huge work, but we are just trying to push other areas for now and we don't have much free time left). 

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Michael J. Zeder <[hidden email]> wrote:
everthing sounds great ;)

one more general question regarding the future direction of sqNOS: Are there plans, or considerations on making the new CogVM the basis of SqNOS. I have no idea, if that would be an easy or a major task, but the performance advantages seem attractive to me...

cheers
michael



ps: sorry for messing up the threads, i got something wrong.

Am 17.03.2011 um 15:40 schrieb [hidden email]:

>> Hello Petr,
>>
>> Unfortunately we don't have much documentation. Basicaly because
>> SqueakNOS
>>> is based on SqueakVM and SqueakVM is not very well documented.
>>
>> However, with the new release we will upload on next days, we will
>> probably
>>> add some links to most of the documents we have read to gain
>> expierence with
>>> squeakVM low-level stuff.
>>
>
> Would be great. :)
>
>> It would be really nice to have squeakNOS ported to ARM. I think
>> there is
>>> already a port to arm for the SqueakVM. I don't know exactly its
>> status. But
>>> it should not be hard to merge that with SqueakNos cause as i
>> already said,
>>> SqueakNOS virtual machine is almost similar to Squeak VM. There are
>> not
>>> much changes to the vm, the idea is to work as much as possible on
>> image
>>> side.
>>
>
> Yes, there is ARM port as I know, I've seen squeak running on Google
> G1 phone, which is arm based. The plattform I'd like to use for some
> embedded apps (one is brushless motor control) already have its own
> Linux distribution, I am planning to install Squeak/Pharo on top of
> it in the first step, but standalone Squeak would be nicer ;). (I
> want to use Squeak for non-realtime tasks and for displaying,
> realtime tasks are performed by FPGA chip onboard .. I think it
> could be also interesting to use this FPGA to implement some
> performance critical tasks as a kind of primitive call from squeak)
>
>> Anyway, feel free to email any doubt on the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Guido.
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> that's great, looking forwrd to the next version
>> of SqueakNOS!
>> Building up a good documentation would also be
>> very nice, for it helps starters to get into
>> hacking SqueakNOS, something were I currently hit
>> constraints.
>
> Well, I din't really started yet with NOS, but I agree. Squeak
> documentation is the weak part ..
>
>> A ARM port would be great!! Maybe there can be a
>> common trunk, so development can progress in
>> parallel on both platforms...?
>>
>> Thanks and cheers
>> Michael
>
> I suppose it should still be just one project, just the loader and
> VM may be different slighlty. Howewer I am interested in supporting
> hardware that may be uncommon in PC's or even mobile phones I think.
> The one of first things I need to get working is the armadeus's
> i.MX<->FPGA interconnection which is essential for this computer.
>
>>
>> Am 14.03.2011 um 16:47 schrieb Guido Chari:
>>
>>> That's very good news!
>>>
>>> Keep in touch cause we are planning to upload a
>>> new release on this or next week.
>>>>
>>> Probably mouse wheel will be fixed.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guido.
>
> I am looking forward eagerly. :)
>
>>> 2011/3/14 <[hidden email]>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'd like to report I succesfully ran SqueakNOS
>>> (SqueakNOS-19-feb-2010.tar.bz2 from sourceforge
>>> - a bootable CD) on
>>>> DELL Optiplex GX270 (2.4GHz Intel P4, 1 GiB RAM,
>>> integrated Intel
>>>> 82865G Graphics card).
>>> With PS2 keyboard and USB DELL mouse (working
>>> except of the wheel),
>>>> graphics is working up to 1600x1200x32.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Petr Dvorak
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SqueakNOS mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SqueakNOS mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaknos
>>>
>>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Petr
>
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