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Levente Uzonyi-2

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, John M McIntosh wrote:

>
> On 2010-03-29, at 2:11 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, John M McIntosh wrote:
>>
>>> Actually one *can* make the linux VM faster than the MacOS one on the same hardware using just the right version of GCC.
>>>
>>> But frankly the *easiest* way of doing that is for Pharo to fund the yearly license for using the Intel Compiler and provide a
>>> one-click Intel compiler based VM.
>>
>> For Intel CPUs that's a good solution, but those binaries would be really slow on AMD and VIA CPUs.
>>
>>
>> Levente
>
> Maybe, assuming someone runs some numbers, and/or you think that intel purposely trashes performance on those machines if you
> use their compilers?

http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49

>
> Also is the linux crowd 100% AMD/VIA? If it's only 20% as per the Intel CPU market share, then maybe the 80% of linux

Definitely not.

> intel CPU based users would enjoy better performance versus a muddled offering in order to keep in line with the slowest 20% of the user base?

I'm not against the use of icc, but it's not a silver bullet. The question
is: how much better performance can be achieved with it? Having 2% better
performance for 80% of the users, while -50% performance for the rest
doesn't worth it IMHO.

Levente

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Adrian Lienhard

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

On Mar 30, 2010, at 01:09 , Levente Uzonyi wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, John M McIntosh wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2010-03-29, at 2:11 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, John M McIntosh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually one *can* make the linux VM faster than the MacOS one on the same hardware using just the right version of GCC.
>>>>
>>>> But frankly the *easiest* way of doing that is for Pharo to fund the yearly license for using the Intel Compiler and provide a
>>>> one-click Intel compiler based VM.
>>>
>>> For Intel CPUs that's a good solution, but those binaries would be really slow on AMD and VIA CPUs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Levente
>>
>> Maybe, assuming someone runs some numbers, and/or you think that intel purposely trashes performance on those machines if you
>> use their compilers?
>
> http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49
>
>>
>> Also is the linux crowd 100% AMD/VIA? If it's only 20% as per the Intel CPU market share, then maybe the 80% of linux
>
> Definitely not.
>
>> intel CPU based users would enjoy better performance versus a muddled offering in order to keep in line with the slowest 20% of the user base?
>
> I'm not against the use of icc, but it's not a silver bullet. The question is: how much better performance can be achieved with it? Having 2% better performance for 80% of the users, while -50% performance for the rest doesn't worth it IMHO.

What's the yearly costs for the Intel Compiler license?

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Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

On 2010-03-29, at 11:39 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>
> What's the yearly costs for the Intel Compiler license?
>
> Adrian

non-academic it's $599 & then $240

academic license is $160

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Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

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What's the yearly costs for the Intel Compiler license?

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According to the website, 600$ for a single-user license on a single platform, 240$ for yearly support renewal.

Other licensing options you have to contact them for pricing.

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laurent laffont

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

The problem with this option is we can't package it on Linux distros ... as open source software, I prefer that the VM downloadable on pharo website is a GCC (or other OSS compiler) compiled one.

Laurent Laffont

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What's the yearly costs for the Intel Compiler license?

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According to the website, 600$ for a single-user license on a single platform, 240$ for yearly support renewal.
Other licensing options you have to contact them for pricing.

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Adrian Lienhard

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

I don't understand why we couldn't add a non-GCC compiled VM on the website. The VM will still be compilable with GCC, e.g., for Linux distros. Heck, we could even add both a GCC and a non-GCC compiled VM on the website and everybody can decide which one to use.

Cheers,
Adrian

On Mar 30, 2010, at 09:34 , laurent laffont wrote:

> The problem with this option is we can't package it on Linux distros ... as
> open source software, I prefer that the VM downloadable on pharo website is
> a GCC (or other OSS compiler) compiled one.
>
> Laurent Laffont
>
>
> 2010/3/30 Henrik Johansen <[hidden email]>
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>> What's the yearly costs for the Intel Compiler license?
>>
>> Adrian
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>> According to the website, 600$ for a single-user license on a single
>> platform, 240$ for yearly support renewal.
>> Other licensing options you have to contact them for pricing.
>>
>> Cheers,
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SergeStinckwich

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't understand why we couldn't add a non-GCC compiled VM on the website. The VM will still be compilable with GCC, e.g., for Linux distros. Heck, we could even add both a GCC and a non-GCC compiled VM on the website and everybody can decide which one to use.

Yes you could put both on the web site, but all the Linux distro will
use GCC to recompile.

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Andreas.Raab

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

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On 3/30/2010 1:08 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
> I don't understand why we couldn't add a non-GCC compiled VM on the website. The VM will still be compilable with GCC, e.g., for Linux distros. Heck, we could even add both a GCC and a non-GCC compiled VM on the website and everybody can decide which one to use.

Here is a free bit of advice: Run some actual application benchmarks
first. Doubling an artificial micro benchmark may have no impact
whatsoever on application performance. For our uses, we found that the
Intel compiler on Macs gave us 10% in app performance which is not bad
at all for just switching the compiler but the microbenchmarks were
actually worse than those of a GNUified interpreter compiled with gcc.
YMMV. Measure it before committing to it.

Cheers,
- Andreas

> On Mar 30, 2010, at 09:34 , laurent laffont wrote:
>
>> The problem with this option is we can't package it on Linux distros ... as
>> open source software, I prefer that the VM downloadable on pharo website is
>> a GCC (or other OSS compiler) compiled one.
>>
>> Laurent Laffont
>>
>>
>> 2010/3/30 Henrik Johansen<[hidden email]>
>>
>>>
>>> What's the yearly costs for the Intel Compiler license?
>>>
>>> Adrian
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>>> According to the website, 600$ for a single-user license on a single
>>> platform, 240$ for yearly support renewal.
>>> Other licensing options you have to contact them for pricing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Henry
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Adrian Lienhard

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

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Hi Laurent,

Here a problem report concerning your VM (http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz) from a Ubuntu 64bit user.

His machine:

(k)ubuntu karmic x64
Linux toat 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 04:38:19 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Pulseaudio: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4.1
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU, 950 @ 3.07GHz

The first problem he had was that the VM segfaulted. He then disabled psdsp in the startup script. This fixed the crash and sound worked (Beeper beep).

His tinyBenchmark results are:

582811610 bytecodes/sec; 15102233 sends/sec
562946673 bytecodes/sec; 16346261 sends/sec
583475783 bytecodes/sec; 16404381 sends/sec
589522164 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
570791527 bytecodes/sec; 16389812 sends/sec
527835051 bytecodes/sec; 14646769 sends/sec
590201729 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
586483390 bytecodes/sec; 16231248 sends/sec
590542099 bytecodes/sec; 16259849 sends/sec
542085759 bytecodes/sec; 14763943 sends/sec

...compared to a 3.9-8 #1 Tue Jan 13 16:33:40 UTC 2009 gcc 4.3.3 VM:

580828133 bytecodes/sec; 18995358 sends/sec
539515279 bytecodes/sec; 17677135 sends/sec
552617377 bytecodes/sec; 17865371 sends/sec
588167719 bytecodes/sec; 19129213 sends/sec
579185520 bytecodes/sec; 18947146 sends/sec
585812356 bytecodes/sec; 16785105 sends/sec
545551411 bytecodes/sec; 18164300 sends/sec
577226606 bytecodes/sec; 19227754 sends/sec
587155963 bytecodes/sec; 19080321 sends/sec
580498866 bytecodes/sec; 18815817 sends/sec

The new VM is slower on sends/sec, but the really astonishing difference is not in the benchmarks but in the GUI performance. It is really slow. Just moving the mouse around on an empty world makes CPU consumption go up to over 70%! He didn't experience this problem with the old 3.9-8 VM.

Cheers,
Adrian

On Mar 26, 2010, at 22:11 , laurent laffont wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Finally I've managed to build squeak vm rev. 2135 (current stable) with
> FT2Plugin which makes all tests green on Pharo 1.0 rc3 image........ on my
> machine :)
>
> If some Linux users can test it on their distro, thanks.
>
> The clean binary archive:
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz
>
> The generated source archive:
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
>
> PharoCore-1.0 + configured VMMaker 1.2 image (for new vm builders, to have
> a known working base):
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/PharoCore-1.0-VMMaker-1.2.tar.gz
>
>
> To build from source archive:
> =======================
> wget
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
> tar -xvzf Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
> cd Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src/
> mkdir build && cd build
> ../unix/cmake/configure
> make
> sudo make install
>
>
> Internal plugins:
> ======================
> UUIDPlugin
>
> External plugins:
> ======================
> ADPCMCodecPlugin
> AioPlugin
> AsynchFilePlugin
> B2DPlugin
> B3DAcceleratorPlugin
> BMPReadWriterPlugin
> BitBltPlugin
> CroquetPlugin
> DSAPrims
> DropPlugin
> FFTPlugin
> FT2Plugin
> FileCopyPlugin
> FilePlugin
> FloatArrayPlugin
> FloatMathPlugin
> GeniePlugin
> HostWindowPlugin
> JPEGReadWriter2Plugin
> JPEGReaderPlugin
> JoystickTabletPlugin
> Klatt
> LargeIntegers
> LocalePlugin
> MIDIPlugin
> Matrix2x3Plugin
> MiscPrimitivePlugin
> Mpeg3Plugin
> QuicktimePlugin
> RePlugin
> SecurityPlugin
> SerialPlugin
> SocketPlugin
> SoundCodecPrims
> SoundGenerationPlugin
> SoundPlugin
> Squeak3D
> SqueakFFIPrims
> StarSqueakPlugin
> SurfacePlugin
> UnixOSProcessPlugin
> XDisplayControlPlugin
> ZipPlugin
>
>
> Fun story: if you don't have SecurityPlugin, LocaleTest>>testFontFullName
> deletes your image :)
> testFontFullName
> "self debug: #testFontFullName"
> | env dir |
> env := (Locale isoLanguage: 'ja') languageEnvironment.
> dir := FileDirectory on: SecurityManager default untrustedUserDirectory.
> [dir recursiveDelete] <-------------- Cool !!
> on: Error
> do: [:e | e].
> env fontFullName.
> self assert: dir exists
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laurent Laffont
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laurent laffont

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Laurent,

Here a problem report concerning your VM (http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz) from a Ubuntu 64bit user.

So he uses the binary archive ? As I compiled it on a 32bits machine, it's not really a surprise.... We need to provide both 32bits *and* 64bits version.

Can he recompile the vm using http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz , test it then send the archive ?

I will rename my archive with -32 suffix.

Thanks for the report.

Laurent Laffont

His machine:

(k)ubuntu karmic x64
Linux toat 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 04:38:19 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Pulseaudio: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4.1
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU, 950 @ 3.07GHz

The first problem he had was that the VM segfaulted. He then disabled psdsp in the startup script. This fixed the crash and sound worked (Beeper beep).

His tinyBenchmark results are:

582811610 bytecodes/sec; 15102233 sends/sec
562946673 bytecodes/sec; 16346261 sends/sec
583475783 bytecodes/sec; 16404381 sends/sec
589522164 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
570791527 bytecodes/sec; 16389812 sends/sec
527835051 bytecodes/sec; 14646769 sends/sec
590201729 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
586483390 bytecodes/sec; 16231248 sends/sec
590542099 bytecodes/sec; 16259849 sends/sec
542085759 bytecodes/sec; 14763943 sends/sec

...compared to a 3.9-8 #1 Tue Jan 13 16:33:40 UTC 2009 gcc 4.3.3 VM:

580828133 bytecodes/sec; 18995358 sends/sec
539515279 bytecodes/sec; 17677135 sends/sec
552617377 bytecodes/sec; 17865371 sends/sec
588167719 bytecodes/sec; 19129213 sends/sec
579185520 bytecodes/sec; 18947146 sends/sec
585812356 bytecodes/sec; 16785105 sends/sec
545551411 bytecodes/sec; 18164300 sends/sec
577226606 bytecodes/sec; 19227754 sends/sec
587155963 bytecodes/sec; 19080321 sends/sec
580498866 bytecodes/sec; 18815817 sends/sec

The new VM is slower on sends/sec, but the really astonishing difference is not in the benchmarks but in the GUI performance. It is really slow. Just moving the mouse around on an empty world makes CPU consumption go up to over 70%! He didn't experience this problem with the old 3.9-8 VM.

Cheers,
Adrian

On Mar 26, 2010, at 22:11 , laurent laffont wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Finally I've managed to build squeak vm rev. 2135 (current stable) with
> FT2Plugin which makes all tests green on Pharo 1.0 rc3 image........ on my
> machine :)
>
> If some Linux users can test it on their distro, thanks.
>
> The clean binary archive:
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz
>
> The generated source archive:
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
>
> PharoCore-1.0 + configured VMMaker 1.2 image (for new vm builders, to have
> a known working base):
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/PharoCore-1.0-VMMaker-1.2.tar.gz
>
>
> To build from source archive:
> =======================
> wget
> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
> tar -xvzf Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
> cd Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src/
> mkdir build && cd build
> ../unix/cmake/configure
> make
> sudo make install
>
>
> Internal plugins:
> ======================
> UUIDPlugin
>
> External plugins:
> ======================
> ADPCMCodecPlugin
> AioPlugin
> AsynchFilePlugin
> B2DPlugin
> B3DAcceleratorPlugin
> BMPReadWriterPlugin
> BitBltPlugin
> CroquetPlugin
> DSAPrims
> DropPlugin
> FFTPlugin
> FT2Plugin
> FileCopyPlugin
> FilePlugin
> FloatArrayPlugin
> FloatMathPlugin
> GeniePlugin
> HostWindowPlugin
> JPEGReadWriter2Plugin
> JPEGReaderPlugin
> JoystickTabletPlugin
> Klatt
> LargeIntegers
> LocalePlugin
> MIDIPlugin
> Matrix2x3Plugin
> MiscPrimitivePlugin
> Mpeg3Plugin
> QuicktimePlugin
> RePlugin
> SecurityPlugin
> SerialPlugin
> SocketPlugin
> SoundCodecPrims
> SoundGenerationPlugin
> SoundPlugin
> Squeak3D
> SqueakFFIPrims
> StarSqueakPlugin
> SurfacePlugin
> UnixOSProcessPlugin
> XDisplayControlPlugin
> ZipPlugin
>
>
> Fun story: if you don't have SecurityPlugin, LocaleTest>>testFontFullName
> deletes your image :)
> testFontFullName
> "self debug: #testFontFullName"
> | env dir |
> env := (Locale isoLanguage: 'ja') languageEnvironment.
> dir := FileDirectory on: SecurityManager default untrustedUserDirectory.
> [dir recursiveDelete] <-------------- Cool !!
> on: Error
> do: [:e | e].
> env fontFullName.
> self assert: dir exists
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laurent Laffont

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Levente Uzonyi-2

Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

In reply to this post by Adrian Lienhard

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Adrian Lienhard wrote:

> Hi Laurent,
>
> Here a problem report concerning your VM (http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz) from a Ubuntu 64bit user.
>
> His machine:
>
> (k)ubuntu karmic x64
> Linux toat 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 04:38:19 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> Pulseaudio: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4.1
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU, 950 @ 3.07GHz
>
> The first problem he had was that the VM segfaulted. He then disabled psdsp in the startup script. This fixed the crash and sound worked (Beeper beep).
>
> His tinyBenchmark results are:
>
> 582811610 bytecodes/sec; 15102233 sends/sec
> 562946673 bytecodes/sec; 16346261 sends/sec
> 583475783 bytecodes/sec; 16404381 sends/sec
> 589522164 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
> 570791527 bytecodes/sec; 16389812 sends/sec
> 527835051 bytecodes/sec; 14646769 sends/sec
> 590201729 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
> 586483390 bytecodes/sec; 16231248 sends/sec
> 590542099 bytecodes/sec; 16259849 sends/sec
> 542085759 bytecodes/sec; 14763943 sends/sec
>
> ...compared to a 3.9-8 #1 Tue Jan 13 16:33:40 UTC 2009 gcc 4.3.3 VM:
>
> 580828133 bytecodes/sec; 18995358 sends/sec
> 539515279 bytecodes/sec; 17677135 sends/sec
> 552617377 bytecodes/sec; 17865371 sends/sec
> 588167719 bytecodes/sec; 19129213 sends/sec
> 579185520 bytecodes/sec; 18947146 sends/sec
> 585812356 bytecodes/sec; 16785105 sends/sec
> 545551411 bytecodes/sec; 18164300 sends/sec
> 577226606 bytecodes/sec; 19227754 sends/sec
> 587155963 bytecodes/sec; 19080321 sends/sec
> 580498866 bytecodes/sec; 18815817 sends/sec
>
> The new VM is slower on sends/sec, but the really astonishing difference is not in the benchmarks but in the GUI performance. It is really slow. Just moving the mouse around on an empty world makes CPU consumption go up to over 70%! He didn't experience this problem with the old 3.9-8 VM.

That's probably because Laurent built almost every plugin as external.
These include those which are responsible for displaying stuff on the
screen.

Levente

>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2010, at 22:11 , laurent laffont wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Finally I've managed to build squeak vm rev. 2135 (current stable) with
>> FT2Plugin which makes all tests green on Pharo 1.0 rc3 image........ on my
>> machine :)
>>
>> If some Linux users can test it on their distro, thanks.
>>
>> The clean binary archive:
>> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz
>>
>> The generated source archive:
>> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
>>
>> PharoCore-1.0 + configured VMMaker 1.2 image (for new vm builders, to have
>> a known working base):
>> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/PharoCore-1.0-VMMaker-1.2.tar.gz
>>
>>
>> To build from source archive:
>> =======================
>> wget
>> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
>> tar -xvzf Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
>> cd Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src/
>> mkdir build && cd build
>> ../unix/cmake/configure
>> make
>> sudo make install
>>
>>
>> Internal plugins:
>> ======================
>> UUIDPlugin
>>
>> External plugins:
>> ======================
>> ADPCMCodecPlugin
>> AioPlugin
>> AsynchFilePlugin
>> B2DPlugin
>> B3DAcceleratorPlugin
>> BMPReadWriterPlugin
>> BitBltPlugin
>> CroquetPlugin
>> DSAPrims
>> DropPlugin
>> FFTPlugin
>> FT2Plugin
>> FileCopyPlugin
>> FilePlugin
>> FloatArrayPlugin
>> FloatMathPlugin
>> GeniePlugin
>> HostWindowPlugin
>> JPEGReadWriter2Plugin
>> JPEGReaderPlugin
>> JoystickTabletPlugin
>> Klatt
>> LargeIntegers
>> LocalePlugin
>> MIDIPlugin
>> Matrix2x3Plugin
>> MiscPrimitivePlugin
>> Mpeg3Plugin
>> QuicktimePlugin
>> RePlugin
>> SecurityPlugin
>> SerialPlugin
>> SocketPlugin
>> SoundCodecPrims
>> SoundGenerationPlugin
>> SoundPlugin
>> Squeak3D
>> SqueakFFIPrims
>> StarSqueakPlugin
>> SurfacePlugin
>> UnixOSProcessPlugin
>> XDisplayControlPlugin
>> ZipPlugin
>>
>>
>> Fun story: if you don't have SecurityPlugin, LocaleTest>>testFontFullName
>> deletes your image :)
>> testFontFullName
>> "self debug: #testFontFullName"
>> | env dir |
>> env := (Locale isoLanguage: 'ja') languageEnvironment.
>> dir := FileDirectory on: SecurityManager default untrustedUserDirectory.
>> [dir recursiveDelete] <-------------- Cool !!
>> on: Error
>> do: [:e | e].
>> env fontFullName.
>> self assert: dir exists
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
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Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

I've tried to put XDisplayControlPluggin as internal but it fails. After some search: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3350

Laurent Laffont

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Adrian Lienhard wrote:

Hi Laurent,

Here a problem report concerning your VM (http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz) from a Ubuntu 64bit user.

His machine:

(k)ubuntu karmic x64
Linux toat 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 04:38:19 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Pulseaudio: 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4.1
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU, 950 @ 3.07GHz

The first problem he had was that the VM segfaulted. He then disabled psdsp in the startup script. This fixed the crash and sound worked (Beeper beep).

His tinyBenchmark results are:

582811610 bytecodes/sec; 15102233 sends/sec
562946673 bytecodes/sec; 16346261 sends/sec
583475783 bytecodes/sec; 16404381 sends/sec
589522164 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
570791527 bytecodes/sec; 16389812 sends/sec
527835051 bytecodes/sec; 14646769 sends/sec
590201729 bytecodes/sec; 16288551 sends/sec
586483390 bytecodes/sec; 16231248 sends/sec
590542099 bytecodes/sec; 16259849 sends/sec
542085759 bytecodes/sec; 14763943 sends/sec

...compared to a 3.9-8 #1 Tue Jan 13 16:33:40 UTC 2009 gcc 4.3.3 VM:

580828133 bytecodes/sec; 18995358 sends/sec
539515279 bytecodes/sec; 17677135 sends/sec
552617377 bytecodes/sec; 17865371 sends/sec
588167719 bytecodes/sec; 19129213 sends/sec
579185520 bytecodes/sec; 18947146 sends/sec
585812356 bytecodes/sec; 16785105 sends/sec
545551411 bytecodes/sec; 18164300 sends/sec
577226606 bytecodes/sec; 19227754 sends/sec
587155963 bytecodes/sec; 19080321 sends/sec
580498866 bytecodes/sec; 18815817 sends/sec

The new VM is slower on sends/sec, but the really astonishing difference is not in the benchmarks but in the GUI performance. It is really slow. Just moving the mouse around on an empty world makes CPU consumption go up to over 70%! He didn't experience this problem with the old 3.9-8 VM.

That's probably because Laurent built almost every plugin as external. These include those which are responsible for displaying stuff on the screen.

Levente

Cheers,
Adrian

On Mar 26, 2010, at 22:11 , laurent laffont wrote:

Hi,

Finally I've managed to build squeak vm rev. 2135 (current stable) with
FT2Plugin which makes all tests green on Pharo 1.0 rc3 image........ on my
machine :)

If some Linux users can test it on their distro, thanks.

The clean binary archive:
http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-bin.tar.gz

The generated source archive:
http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz

PharoCore-1.0 + configured VMMaker 1.2 image (for new vm builders, to have
a known working base):
http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/PharoCore-1.0-VMMaker-1.2.tar.gz

To build from source archive:
=======================
wget
http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
tar -xvzf Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src.tar.gz
cd Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-src/
mkdir build && cd build
../unix/cmake/configure
make
sudo make install

Internal plugins:
======================
UUIDPlugin

External plugins:
======================
ADPCMCodecPlugin
AioPlugin
AsynchFilePlugin
B2DPlugin
B3DAcceleratorPlugin
BMPReadWriterPlugin
BitBltPlugin
CroquetPlugin
DSAPrims
DropPlugin
FFTPlugin
FT2Plugin
FileCopyPlugin
FilePlugin
FloatArrayPlugin
FloatMathPlugin
GeniePlugin
HostWindowPlugin
JPEGReadWriter2Plugin
JPEGReaderPlugin
JoystickTabletPlugin
Klatt
LargeIntegers
LocalePlugin
MIDIPlugin
Matrix2x3Plugin
MiscPrimitivePlugin
Mpeg3Plugin
QuicktimePlugin
RePlugin
SecurityPlugin
SerialPlugin
SocketPlugin
SoundCodecPrims
SoundGenerationPlugin
SoundPlugin
Squeak3D
SqueakFFIPrims
StarSqueakPlugin
SurfacePlugin
UnixOSProcessPlugin
XDisplayControlPlugin
ZipPlugin

Fun story: if you don't have SecurityPlugin, LocaleTest>>testFontFullName
deletes your image :)
testFontFullName
"self debug: #testFontFullName"
| env dir |
env := (Locale isoLanguage: 'ja') languageEnvironment.
dir := FileDirectory on: SecurityManager default untrustedUserDirectory.
[dir recursiveDelete] <-------------- Cool !!
on: Error
do: [:e | e].
env fontFullName.
self assert: dir exists

Cheers,

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Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

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On 2010-03-30, at 11:43 AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:

> That's probably because Laurent built almost every plugin as external. These include those which are responsible for displaying stuff on the screen.

Um, mmmm
Once we find and load the plugin we cache the entry point so later references don't incur much of a cost. Maybe there is no compiler optimization in the compile for the external plugin?

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On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 14:01 -0700, John M McIntosh wrote:
> On 2010-03-30, at 11:43 AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
>
> > That's probably because Laurent built almost every plugin as external. These include those which are responsible for displaying stuff on the screen.
>
> Um, mmmm
> Once we find and load the plugin we cache the entry point so later references don't incur much of a cost. Maybe there is no compiler optimization in the compile for the external plugin?

I'd be surprised if building plugins as external is the cause of the
problem as that's standard practice for Unix VMs. Ian does it for his
and I followed his lead with the Exupery VMs.

Bryce

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Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Bryce Kampjes wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 14:01 -0700, John M McIntosh wrote:
>> On 2010-03-30, at 11:43 AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
>>
>>> That's probably because Laurent built almost every plugin as external. These include those which are responsible for displaying stuff on the screen.
>>
>> Um, mmmm
>> Once we find and load the plugin we cache the entry point so later references don't incur much of a cost. Maybe there is no compiler optimization in the compile for the external plugin?
>
> I'd be surprised if building plugins as external is the cause of the
> problem as that's standard practice for Unix VMs. Ian does it for his
> and I followed his lead with the Exupery VMs.

Building most plugins external is a good idea, but I doubt that building
plugins which are loaded all the time have any benefits. I used to build
at least these as internal, the others are usually external:
BitBltPlugin, FilePlugin, FloatArrayPlugin, FloatMathPlugin,
LargeIntegers, LocalePlugin, Martix2x3Plugin, MiscPrimitivePlugin,
SecurityPlugin, SocketPlugin.

I guess all but SocketPlugin, will be loaded during startup.

And I'm not saying that building plugins as external cause the low values
for tinyBenchmarks, but they may be responsible for the sluggish UI.

Levente

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Re: Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

In reply to this post by johnmci

Two points
- how can we join forces to get the largest range of VM and the process to build
Concentration of knowledge in small open-source movement is dangerous.

- We will buy an academic license of the compiler. I ordered it today.

Stef

On Mar 30, 2010, at 9:02 AM, John M McIntosh wrote:

>
> On 2010-03-29, at 11:39 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>>
>> What's the yearly costs for the Intel Compiler license?
>>
>> Adrian
>
> non-academic it's $599 & then $240
>
> academic license is $160
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On Mar 30, 2010, at 9:34 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

> The problem with this option is we can't package it on Linux distros ... as open source software, I prefer that the VM downloadable on pharo website is a GCC (or other OSS compiler) compiled one.

Why? to run on linux you have to be compiled with GCC?
Or it is again a license problem?

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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
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> On Mar 30, 2010, at 9:34 AM, laurent laffont wrote:
>
>> The problem with this option is we can't package it on Linux distros ... as open source software, I prefer that the VM downloadable on pharo website is a GCC (or other OSS compiler) compiled one.
>
>
> Why? to run on linux you have to be compiled with GCC?
> Or it is again a license problem?

A version compiled with the Intel C compiler could be available on the
Pharo website, but linux distro will never use it. They will prefer to
recompile from scratch with gcc. What kind of boost performance is
expected with the Intel compiler ?

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So how do the Linux binary only distros work then? I'm sure I've seen the choice, oh load the binaries, or pull and compile the source as
choices in Ubuntu? Why bother making one-click apps with Linux VM if everyone ignores them? Or is this an 80/20 rule?

On 2010-03-31, at 12:05 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote:

> A version compiled with the Intel C compiler could be available on the
> Pharo website, but linux distro will never use it. They will prefer to
> recompile from scratch with gcc. What kind of boost performance is
> expected with the Intel compiler ?
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2010/3/31 John M McIntosh <[hidden email]>:
> So how do the Linux binary only distros work then? I'm sure I've seen the choice, oh load the binaries, or pull and compile the source as
> choices in Ubuntu? Why bother making one-click apps with Linux VM if everyone ignores them? Or is this an 80/20 rule?

I guess, most of the users didn't recompile their applications, they
just use the binary packages from their favorite distributions.
One-click apps are nice in order to distribute Pharo before linux
distro add it in their distributions. Usually it takes some time and i
guess they will include the 1.0 version when Pharo 1.1 will be out ;-)

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