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Squeak board meeting notes 2018-05-16

Craig Latta

Hi all--

     The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:

     https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)

     Thanks for any feedback!


     Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
     Craig

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Black Page Digital
Amsterdam :: San Francisco
[hidden email]
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Re: Squeak board meeting notes 2018-05-16

Tobias Pape
Yay, notes! :D

> On 16.05.2018, at 20:09, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all--
>
>     The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:
>
>     https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)
>
>     Thanks for any feedback!
>
>
>     Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
>     Craig
>
> --
> Craig Latta
> Black Page Digital
> Amsterdam :: San Francisco
> [hidden email]
> +31   6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
> + 1 415  287 3547 (no SMS)
>
>


cbc
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cbc
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Yay!  Notes!.  Like Tobias said.

Digging into the past, the last set of notes (called Minutes back then) as in March 2014.  Thank you for reviving this practice!

I also noted in passing that the previous notes were all done by Craig (thanks again!) and two of the other Chris folks - but not me.

As far as feedback on the notes themselves:

What is MAT?

Also, while researching that bit, I stumbled across this exchange from February:

-----------------
On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 06:34:24AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
<snip>
> And a proposal .
> We need "bench" members like sports teams.
> Board could meet on open channel as regular basis and the rest could join as
> observers.
> As way of web meeting my suggestions goes to Discord as do not have the
> limits of Slack
>
<David's response>
I like your idea of holding open meetings. There are some times when the
board needs to discuss something privately. For example, there are rare
cases where inappropriate behavior on the mailing lists needs to be
discussed. But most of the time, the board is discussing things of general
interest.
-----------------

Has there been any additional discussion about this?

Thanks,
cbc

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all--

     The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:

     https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)

     Thanks for any feedback!


     Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
     Craig

--
Craig Latta
Black Page Digital
Amsterdam :: San Francisco
[hidden email]
+31   6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
+ 1 415  287 3547 (no SMS)





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Re: Squeak board meeting notes 2018-05-16

timrowledge


> On 16-05-2018, at 2:46 PM, Chris Cunningham <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> What is MAT?

Minimal Acceptance Testing - a term we used to use at ParcPlace. It was an all-hands period of a week or so where nothing got done except running tests on possible release artefacts to make sure they could be installed, started, run a fairly long list of tests and generally withstood being bashed on by a variety of people. The bad part was when Adele walked into your office pretty much any computer would faint; what she called 'black thumbs'. Mating season was never our favourite time but it was a pretty effective way of  doing some due diligence on a pending release.

tim
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Disclaimer:  Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.



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Edgar J. De Cleene-3
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Excellent.
Thanks !


On 16/05/2018, 15:09, "Craig Latta" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
Hi all--

     The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:


> https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)

     Thanks for any
> feedback!


     Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,

> Craig



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Chris Muller-3
> Can the ‘startup wizard’ be extended to help with making the all-in-one image not get overwritten? tim suggests Very Strongly Encouraging the user to save the image immediately so that the default image can be locked.

New users' first experience upon launching Squeak should be an
immediate commencement of their journey to discovery and wonderment,
not a tedious and meaningless (to them) message that tasks
them with some chore they couldn't possibly care about at that point.
Many would bail right then and there.  Personally, I think most users
that would use a system like this would know about files and folders
and would simply re-unzip it, but if you feel strongly the system
should hold their hand then lets actually hold it by handling it for
the user *automatically*.   A tweak to the launcher scripts included
in the All-In-One.  Simply change the script to make a copy of the
"master" and then launch the copy.  If  the copy already exists (i.e.,
from last time), launch it instead of copying it over.  Then, we
simply include a "factory-reset" script which deletes the copy.  Done.


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 4:28 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Excellent.
> Thanks !
>
>
> On 16/05/2018, 15:09, "Craig Latta" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
> Hi all--
>
>      The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:
>
>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)
>
>      Thanks for any
>> feedback!
>
>
>      Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
>
>> Craig
>
>
>

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Re: Squeak board meeting notes 2018-05-16

Hannes Hirzel
On 5/17/18, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Can the ‘startup wizard’ be extended to help with making the all-in-one
>> image not get overwritten? tim suggests Very Strongly Encouraging the user
>> to save the image immediately so that the default image can be locked.
>
> New users' first experience upon launching Squeak should be an
> immediate commencement of their journey to discovery and wonderment,
> not a tedious and meaningless (to them) message that tasks
> them with some chore they couldn't possibly care about at that point.
> Many would bail right then and there.  Personally, I think most users
> that would use a system like this would know about files and folders
> and would simply re-unzip it, but if you feel strongly the system
> should hold their hand then lets actually hold it by handling it for
> the user *automatically*.   A tweak to the launcher scripts included
> in the All-In-One.  Simply change the script to make a copy of the
> "master" and then launch the copy.  If  the copy already exists (i.e.,
> from last time), launch it instead of copying it over.  Then, we
> simply include a "factory-reset" script which deletes the copy.  Done.

+1
Looks like a very useful enhancement of the user experience.

>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 4:28 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Excellent.
>> Thanks !
>>
>>
>> On 16/05/2018, 15:09, "Craig Latta" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Hi all--
>>
>>      The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:
>>
>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)
>>
>>      Thanks for any
>>> feedback!
>>
>>
>>      Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
>>
>>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Squeak board meeting notes 2018-05-16

Ken G. Brown
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SOB meeting notes are much appreciated. Thx.

Ken G. Brown

> On May 16, 2018, at 12:09, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all--
>
>     The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:
>
>     https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)
>
>     Thanks for any feedback!
>
>
>     Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
>     Craig
>
> --
> Craig Latta
> Black Page Digital
> Amsterdam :: San Francisco
> [hidden email]
> +31   6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
> + 1 415  287 3547 (no SMS)
>
>

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Bruce O'Neel-2
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Hmm, maybe we could have another three letter acronym than SOB for the Squeak Oversight Board.  Just SB would be good...

19 May 2018 00:43 Ken Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
SOB meeting notes are much appreciated. Thx.

Ken G. Brown

> On May 16, 2018, at 12:09, Craig Latta wrote:
>
>
> Hi all--
>
> The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)
>
> Thanks for any feedback!
>
>
> Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
> Craig
>
> --
> Craig Latta
> Black Page Digital
> Amsterdam :: San Francisco
> +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
> + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
>
>





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Re: Squeak board meeting notes 2018-05-16

Craig Latta
Agreed...

Sent from my iPhone

On May 19, 2018, at 00:33, Bruce O'Neel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hmm, maybe we could have another three letter acronym than SOB for the Squeak Oversight Board.  Just SB would be good...

19 May 2018 00:43 Ken Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
SOB meeting notes are much appreciated. Thx.

Ken G. Brown

> On May 16, 2018, at 12:09, Craig Latta wrote:
>
>
> Hi all--
>
> The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:
>
>
> Thanks for any feedback!
>
>
> Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
> Craig
>
> --
> Craig Latta
> Black Page Digital
> Amsterdam :: San Francisco
> +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
> + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
>
>






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Re: Squeak board meeting notes 2018-05-16

David T. Lewis
Oh I don't know... I sort of like having "SOB meeting" pop up on my calendar
from time to time. It just sounds more interesting than most of the other
meetings I attend.

;-)

Dave

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 08:41:55AM -0700, Craig Latta wrote:

> Agreed...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 19, 2018, at 00:33, Bruce O'Neel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm, maybe we could have another three letter acronym than SOB for the Squeak Oversight Board.  Just SB would be good...
> >
> > 19 May 2018 00:43 Ken Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > SOB meeting notes are much appreciated. Thx.
> >
> > Ken G. Brown
> >
> > > On May 16, 2018, at 12:09, Craig Latta wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all--
> > >
> > > The notes for the 2018-05-16 Squeak board meeting are at:
> > >
> > > https://tinyurl.com/y7vflrcz (docs.google.com)
> > >
> > > Thanks for any feedback!
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings on behalf of your Squeak board of directors,
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > --
> > > Craig Latta
> > > Black Page Digital
> > > Amsterdam :: San Francisco
> > > [hidden email]
> > > +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
> > > + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>