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Who owns Squeaksource? It's been down for the last 19 hours at least :/
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nobody that is proud of his work, that's for sure. You are lucky is not friday. Last september I needed it badly and it when down friday afternoon... only about monday in the afternoon it came back online. That happened two weekends in a row. #notFun On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Robert Sirois wrote:
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Hi Sebastian,
First, squeaksource is free and it is hosted for free, too (as the main page says, squeaksource.com is hosted free of charge by the Software Composition Group, University of Bern). Second, it is old: it dates from 2004: http://www.squeaksource.com/ss.html This was a great piece of infrastructure built by some cool guys, but now it shows its age: http://www.squeaksource.com/ss.html Please do not blame neither the authors, nor the current people that are still trying to keep it alive: basically, a couple of brave PhD students that maintain the infrastructure (not the code) in their spare time (namely, Jorge Ressia and Fabrizio Perin). There is at least one other option that should be more stable: http://ss3.gemstone.com/ And of course, in the meantime, we are all waiting for: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/ So, all in all, please refrain from these kinds of remarks. Cheers, Doru On 1 Dec 2011, at 13:10, Sebastian Sastre wrote: > nobody that is proud of his work, that's for sure. > > You are lucky is not friday. Last september I needed it badly and it when down friday afternoon... only about monday in the afternoon it came back online. That happened two weekends in a row. > > #notFun > > sebastian > > o/ > > > On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Robert Sirois wrote: > >> Who owns Squeaksource? It's been down for the last 19 hours at least :/ >> >> RS >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside -- www.tudorgirba.com "When people care, great things can happen." _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hey Doru,
I use it every day. With the exception of its non-existent process monitoring system, I DO appreciate squeaksource. And when you have plenty of free monitoring tools that, with a few configurations, could restart it automatically, you can't justify that kind of problem. Asking me to cover facts that clearly hurts the productivity of the community won't take us anywhere BTW smalltalkhub sounds great o/ On Dec 1, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
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On 01 Dec 2011, at 19:22, Sebastian Sastre wrote: > I use it every day. With the exception of its non-existent process monitoring system, I DO appreciate squeaksource. And when you have plenty of free monitoring tools that, with a few configurations, could restart it automatically, you can't justify that kind of problem. Asking me to cover facts that clearly hurts the productivity of the community won't take us anywhere This has been discussed before: apparently, automatic restarts are not possible because the internal state gets corrupt. The success of SqS is its problem I guess. I too depend on it, as many others. But as Doru said there is not really someone to blame. Sven _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Thanks Tudor. I wasn't looking for anyone to blame hehe.
I didn't realize there were some other projects (that I'd be totally willing to support) going on. RS > Subject: Re: [Seaside] SqueakSource > From: [hidden email] > Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:48:09 +0100 > To: [hidden email] > CC: [hidden email] > > Hi Sebastian, > > First, squeaksource is free and it is hosted for free, too (as the main page says, squeaksource.com is hosted free of charge by the Software Composition Group, University of Bern). > > Second, it is old: it dates from 2004: > http://www.squeaksource.com/ss.html > > This was a great piece of infrastructure built by some cool guys, but now it shows its age: > http://www.squeaksource.com/ss.html > > Please do not blame neither the authors, nor the current people that are still trying to keep it alive: basically, a couple of brave PhD students that maintain the infrastructure (not the code) in their spare time (namely, Jorge Ressia and Fabrizio Perin). > > There is at least one other option that should be more stable: > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ > > And of course, in the meantime, we are all waiting for: > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/ > > > So, all in all, please refrain from these kinds of remarks. > > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 1 Dec 2011, at 13:10, Sebastian Sastre wrote: > > > nobody that is proud of his work, that's for sure. > > > > You are lucky is not friday. Last september I needed it badly and it when down friday afternoon... only about monday in the afternoon it came back online. That happened two weekends in a row. > > > > #notFun > > > > sebastian > > > > o/ > > > > > > On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Robert Sirois wrote: > > > >> Who owns Squeaksource? It's been down for the last 19 hours at least :/ > >> > >> RS > >> _______________________________________________ > >> seaside mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "When people care, great things can happen." > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Robert Sirois <[hidden email]> wrote:
If you want to migrate: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/migrating-projects-to-squeaksource3/ there is also a squeaksource mirror in Chile which you may find of help.
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On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: I too depend on it, as many others. hey, this wasn't to blame somebody, specially having in mind they volunteered. But I don't find okay to pretend it was good design. No matter how good a VM is, things crash. Is not about if, is about when. So not being fault tolerant in something you need resilient is a faulty design (no matter how old the software is). If we face that, we will not find acceptable crappy design and things can only get better. Again, I'm happy smalltalkhub is coming _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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How about doing something to improve the situation a little while
squeaksource.com is still heavily in use? When we switched to the trunk development model we gave source.squeak.org a long hard look and improved its stability significantly. I'm sure some of these changes are applicable to squeaksource.com as well. If the image is available I'd be happy to take a look. And if debug logs from system failures are available that would be even better. Cheers, - Andreas On 12/2/2011 14:23, Sebastian Sastre wrote: > On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> I too depend on it, as many others. >> >> But as Doru said there is not really someone to blame. > > hey, this wasn't to blame somebody, specially having in mind they > volunteered. > > But I don't find okay to pretend it was good design. > > No matter how good a VM is, things crash. Is not about /if/, is about > /when/. > > So not being fault tolerant in something you need resilient is a faulty > design (no matter how old the software is). > > If we face that, we will not find acceptable crappy design and things > can only get better. > > Again, I'm happy smalltalkhub is coming > > sebastian <http://about.me/sebastianconcept> > > o/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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