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in_pharo_users

State of Tide / Amber ?

Dear List,

I was trying to set up Tide / Amber.

I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed to set it up with Pharo 6.

Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3.

I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON interface seemed to work fine.

This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was able to follow to success.

What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been abandoned?

If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available?

Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other shortcomings of the concept?

Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6?

Kind regards,

basket

EstebanLM

Re: State of Tide / Amber ?

On 13 Mar 2018, at 16:06, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear List,

I was trying to set up Tide / Amber.

I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed to set it up with Pharo 6.

Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3.

I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON interface seemed to work fine.

This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was able to follow to success.

What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been abandoned?

If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available?

Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other shortcomings of the concept?

Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6?

hi,

AFAIK, nobody is actively using it (and I should know, since I was one of the developers).

Now, the general idea and implementation of Tide was simple and it shouldn’t be much work to make it run on Pharo 6.1 (somethings changed, but I do not think too much in that area).

There is still the problem around Amber, but that’s more a question for Amber list, I have no idea of its current status (and on how the amber part of tide would work).

cheers!

Esteban

Kind regards,

basket

in_pharo_users

Re: State of Tide / Amber ?

Hi Esteban,

nice to meet you online. I saw your presentation on UTube.

I found your concept quite intriguing, so I wonder why no one else is interested -
besides the notorious lack of popularity that Smalltalk is cursed with, to the unreasonable
great benefit of it's fugly spin-offs.

I want to check it out, plus, I want to see the new lean CMS that you underpinned it with.

Have you encountered or envisioned any drawbacks of your concept, that would hamper
any techniques neccessary in contemporary web app programming?

Kind regards,

basket

On 13.3.2018 at 4:49 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 13 Mar 2018, at 16:06, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear List,

I was trying to set up Tide / Amber.

I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed to set it up with Pharo 6.

Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3.

I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON interface seemed to work fine.

This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was able to follow to success.

What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been abandoned?

If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available?

Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other shortcomings of the concept?

Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6?

hi,

AFAIK, nobody is actively using it (and I should know, since I was one of the developers).
Now, the general idea and implementation of Tide was simple and it shouldn’t be much work to make it run on Pharo 6.1 (somethings changed, but I do not think too much in that area).

There is still the problem around Amber, but that’s more a question for Amber list, I have no idea of its current status (and on how the amber part of tide would work).

cheers!
Esteban

Kind regards,

basket

Herby Vojčík

Re: State of Tide / Amber ?

[hidden email] wrote:

> Hi Esteban,
>
> nice to meet you online. I saw your presentation on UTube.
>
> I found your concept quite intriguing, so I wonder why no one else is
> interested -
> besides the notorious lack of popularity that Smalltalk is cursed with,
> to the unreasonable
> great benefit of it's fugly spin-offs.
>
> I want to check it out, plus, I want to see the new lean CMS that you
> underpinned it with.
>
> Have you encountered or envisioned any drawbacks of your concept, that
> would hamper
> any techniques neccessary in contemporary web app programming?
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> basket
>
>
>
>
> On 13.3.2018 at 4:49 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 13 Mar 2018, at 16:06, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Dear List,
>
> I was trying to set up Tide / Amber.
>
> I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed
> to set it up with Pharo 6.
>
> Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3.
>
> I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON
> interface seemed to work fine.
>
> This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get
> Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was
> able to follow to success.
>
> What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or
> has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been
> abandoned?
>
> If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available?
>
> Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other
> shortcomings of the concept?
>
> Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6?
>
>
> hi,
>
> AFAIK, nobody is actively using it (and I should know, since I was
> one of the developers).
> Now, the general idea and implementation of Tide was simple and it
> shouldn’t be much work to make it run on Pharo 6.1 (somethings
> changed, but I do not think too much in that area).
>
> There is still the problem around Amber, but that’s more a question
> for Amber list, I have no idea of its current status (and on how the
> amber part of tide would work).

Hi Basket,

feel free to revive it, I don't see why it should not work in Amber,
there weren't any revolutionary changes there (lots of formal ones, some
changes in kernel, yes, but I don't think any code actually depended on
them).

Herby

>
> cheers!
> Esteban
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> basket
>
>

EstebanLM

Re: State of Tide / Amber ?

In reply to this post by in_pharo_users

Hi,

I think the most complicated part is that you are actually splitting your system in two: amber part/pharo part.

yes is still two smalltalks, but that does not avoid the problem that you have to work on two essentially separated apps.

Tide work is just to easy the binding between both of them.

Other reason why no one is using it is, probably, because nobody knows is there: things that are not marketed/exposed/explained are ultimately lost (it happened also with Reef and a lot other projects I had that IMO could have had better luck).

Esteban

On 13 Mar 2018, at 22:24, [hidden email] wrote:

Hi Esteban,

nice to meet you online. I saw your presentation on UTube.

I found your concept quite intriguing, so I wonder why no one else is interested -
besides the notorious lack of popularity that Smalltalk is cursed with, to the unreasonable
great benefit of it's fugly spin-offs.

I want to check it out, plus, I want to see the new lean CMS that you underpinned it with.

Have you encountered or envisioned any drawbacks of your concept, that would hamper
any techniques neccessary in contemporary web app programming?

Kind regards,

basket

On 13.3.2018 at 4:49 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 13 Mar 2018, at 16:06, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear List,

I was trying to set up Tide / Amber.

I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed to set it up with Pharo 6.

Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3.

I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON interface seemed to work fine.

This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was able to follow to success.

What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been abandoned?

If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available?

Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other shortcomings of the concept?

Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6?

hi,

AFAIK, nobody is actively using it (and I should know, since I was one of the developers).
Now, the general idea and implementation of Tide was simple and it shouldn’t be much work to make it run on Pharo 6.1 (somethings changed, but I do not think too much in that area).

There is still the problem around Amber, but that’s more a question for Amber list, I have no idea of its current status (and on how the amber part of tide would work).

cheers!
Esteban

Kind regards,

basket