Stupid question

>
> Dirk
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: aida-bounces at aidaweb.si [mailto:aida-bounces at aidaweb.si] Namens nicolas petton
> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 oktober 2007 19:53
> Aan: AIDA/Web general discussion list
> Onderwerp: Re: [aida] Stupid question
>
>
> Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 ? 15:10 +0200, Janko Miv?ek a ?crit :
> > Hi Nicolas,
> >
> Hi Janko
> > nicolas petton wrote:
> >
> > > I've got a stupid question... where is the code of aidademo site ?
> > > Sorry, I cannot find it.
> >
> > Do you mean a code, which run what is shown  when you start a demo site?
> Yes
> >
> > First page is from WebDiscussions/WebDiscussionsApp (in Aida-Parts),
> > then there is WebDemoApp for demos, in same category, and WebAdminApp
> > from Aida-Admin.
> Thanks, I saw it, but I mean the main part of the site (ie the header, the sidebar on the left, stylesheet, etc). Does it make part of the demo ?
> I'm asking this because in the tutorial the new site is in fact a part of the demo (even if I write "self add: e", the css is still there).
> >
> > For "blast from the past" you can also look at WebSecurityManagerApp
> > with a really old code, back to 1996 :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nicolas
> >
> > Best regards
> > Janko
> >
> --
> Nicolas Petton
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>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: aida-bounces na aidaweb.si [mailto:aida-bounces na aidaweb.si] Namens nicolas petton
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 oktober 2007 19:53
>> Aan: AIDA/Web general discussion list
>> Onderwerp: Re: [aida] Stupid question
>>
>>
>> Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 ? 15:10 +0200, Janko Miv?ek a ?crit :
>>> Hi Nicolas,
>>>
>> Hi Janko
>>> nicolas petton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got a stupid question... where is the code of aidademo site ?
>>>> Sorry, I cannot find it.
>>> Do you mean a code, which run what is shown  when you start a demo site?
>> Yes
>>> First page is from WebDiscussions/WebDiscussionsApp (in Aida-Parts),
>>> then there is WebDemoApp for demos, in same category, and WebAdminApp
>>> from Aida-Admin.
>> Thanks, I saw it, but I mean the main part of the site (ie the header, the sidebar on the left, stylesheet, etc). Does it make part of the demo ?
>> I'm asking this because in the tutorial the new site is in fact a part of the demo (even if I write "self add: e", the css is still there).
>>> For "blast from the past" you can also look at WebSecurityManagerApp
>>> with a really old code, back to 1996 :)
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nicolas
>>> Best regards
>>> Janko
>>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Petton
>> http://nico.bioskop.fr
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>>            ooooooo
>>             \   /
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> Hi Nicolas,
>
> >> Start with WebStyle>>pageFrameWith:title:
> >>
> >> The WebStyle catches the doesNotUnderstand from WebApplication when your viewMain method sends self pageFrameWith:title:
> >
> > Thanks a lot Dirk, now it's clearer to me :)
> > I think the main issue here is that I'm still thinking the Seaside
> > way...
>
> Well, this redirection is strange on first sight for every Smalltalker
> too, but with a bit of explanation you can understand the reason behind:
>   a support for another separation between content and style - between
> HTML and CSS. CSS support (and style support in general, like "framing"
> of page with above mentioned method) is therefore delegated to WebStyle
> and its subclasses.

>
> Another neat feature is that you can change styles on runtime, simply by
> changing style in AIDASite.
>
> Third reason: that way you can host a same application to many customers
> at once, with different style for each. That way you can simply
> customize you app to customer wishes, but still run all of them from the
> same image.
>
> But WebStyle don't hold only CSS, but also images and JS code. Images
> are stored in methods (so called method images).

>
> Best regards
> Janko
>
> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >> Van: aida-bounces at aidaweb.si [mailto:aida-bounces at aidaweb.si] Namens nicolas petton
> >> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 oktober 2007 19:53
> >> Aan: AIDA/Web general discussion list
> >> Onderwerp: Re: [aida] Stupid question
> >>
> >>
> >> Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 ? 15:10 +0200, Janko Miv?ek a ?crit :
> >>> Hi Nicolas,
> >>>
> >> Hi Janko
> >>> nicolas petton wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've got a stupid question... where is the code of aidademo site ?
> >>>> Sorry, I cannot find it.
> >>> Do you mean a code, which run what is shown  when you start a demo site?
> >> Yes
> >>> First page is from WebDiscussions/WebDiscussionsApp (in Aida-Parts),
> >>> then there is WebDemoApp for demos, in same category, and WebAdminApp
> >>> from Aida-Admin.
> >> Thanks, I saw it, but I mean the main part of the site (ie the header, the sidebar on the left, stylesheet, etc). Does it make part of the demo ?
> >> I'm asking this because in the tutorial the new site is in fact a part of the demo (even if I write "self add: e", the css is still there).
> >>> For "blast from the past" you can also look at WebSecurityManagerApp
> >>> with a really old code, back to 1996 :)
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Janko
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Nicolas Petton
> >> http://nico.bioskop.fr
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> >>           OOOOOOOOO
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> >>            ooooooo
> >>             \   /
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> >> --------------------------------
> >> Ma cl? GPG est disponible ici :
> >> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE788C34D
> >>
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>> Well, this redirection is strange on first sight for every Smalltalker
>> too, but with a bit of explanation you can understand the reason behind:
>>   a support for another separation between content and style - between
>> HTML and CSS. CSS support (and style support in general, like "framing"
>> of page with above mentioned method) is therefore delegated to WebStyle
>> and its subclasses.
>
> So, what is the best way to style a site ? Subclassing WebStyle, and
> surcharging #pageFrameWith:title: and some other methods, or create a
> new class from scratch (since WebStyle directly inherit from Object, and
> this class has a lot of methods I may not want) ?

>> Another neat feature is that you can change styles on runtime, simply by
>> changing style in AIDASite.
>>
>> Third reason: that way you can host a same application to many customers
>> at once, with different style for each. That way you can simply
>> customize you app to customer wishes, but still run all of them from the
>> same image.
>>
>> But WebStyle don't hold only CSS, but also images and JS code. Images
>> are stored in methods (so called method images).

>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>> Van: aida-bounces na aidaweb.si [mailto:aida-bounces na aidaweb.si] Namens nicolas petton
>>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 oktober 2007 19:53
>>>> Aan: AIDA/Web general discussion list
>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [aida] Stupid question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 ? 15:10 +0200, Janko Miv?ek a ?crit :
>>>>> Hi Nicolas,
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Janko
>>>>> nicolas petton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a stupid question... where is the code of aidademo site ?
>>>>>> Sorry, I cannot find it.
>>>>> Do you mean a code, which run what is shown  when you start a demo site?
>>>> Yes
>>>>> First page is from WebDiscussions/WebDiscussionsApp (in Aida-Parts),
>>>>> then there is WebDemoApp for demos, in same category, and WebAdminApp
>>>>> from Aida-Admin.
>>>> Thanks, I saw it, but I mean the main part of the site (ie the header, the sidebar on the left, stylesheet, etc). Does it make part of the demo ?
>>>> I'm asking this because in the tutorial the new site is in fact a part of the demo (even if I write "self add: e", the css is still there).
>>>>> For "blast from the past" you can also look at WebSecurityManagerApp
>>>>> with a really old code, back to 1996 :)

> nicolas petton wrote:
>
> >> Well, this redirection is strange on first sight for every Smalltalker
> >> too, but with a bit of explanation you can understand the reason behind:
> >>   a support for another separation between content and style - between
> >> HTML and CSS. CSS support (and style support in general, like "framing"
> >> of page with above mentioned method) is therefore delegated to WebStyle
> >> and its subclasses.
> >
> > So, what is the best way to style a site ? Subclassing WebStyle, and
> > surcharging #pageFrameWith:title: and some other methods, or create a
> > new class from scratch (since WebStyle directly inherit from Object, and
> > this class has a lot of methods I may not want) ?
>
> Subclassing WebStyle and overriding existing methods while reusing
> WebStyle ones (like images) is the best way. Just ignore methods you
> don't want or in case of css* methods override them with empty ones to
> nil them.

>  This is a bit clumsy, I know, I'm working on a solution...
>
> >> Another neat feature is that you can change styles on runtime, simply by
> >> changing style in AIDASite.
> >>
> >> Third reason: that way you can host a same application to many customers
> >> at once, with different style for each. That way you can simply
> >> customize you app to customer wishes, but still run all of them from the
> >> same image.
> >>
> >> But WebStyle don't hold only CSS, but also images and JS code. Images
> >> are stored in methods (so called method images).
>
> > Is there a simple way to upload images into method images ?
>
> Yes, see some method image how it was created, for instance
>
> WebStyle>>arrowOrangeRightGif
>
> "'imgs/dars-arrow2.gif' asFilename contentsAsMethod"
>
> This code in comment was inspected and result copied in a body of that
> method image. This is how it is done on VisualWorks, On Squeak you have
> String contentsAsMethod, which you can use similarly.
>
>
> >>  The same goes with
> >> JavaScript code. This is similar to WAFileLibrary in Seaside.
> >>
> >> And I'm extending WebStyle to support Joomla templates ...
> > Very good :) !
> >
>
> >>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >>>> Van: aida-bounces at aidaweb.si [mailto:aida-bounces at aidaweb.si] Namens nicolas petton
> >>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 oktober 2007 19:53
> >>>> Aan: AIDA/Web general discussion list
> >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [aida] Stupid question
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 ? 15:10 +0200, Janko Miv?ek a ?crit :
> >>>>> Hi Nicolas,
> >>>>>
> >>>> Hi Janko
> >>>>> nicolas petton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I've got a stupid question... where is the code of aidademo site ?
> >>>>>> Sorry, I cannot find it.
> >>>>> Do you mean a code, which run what is shown  when you start a demo site?
> >>>> Yes
> >>>>> First page is from WebDiscussions/WebDiscussionsApp (in Aida-Parts),
> >>>>> then there is WebDemoApp for demos, in same category, and WebAdminApp
> >>>>> from Aida-Admin.
> >>>> Thanks, I saw it, but I mean the main part of the site (ie the header, the sidebar on the left, stylesheet, etc). Does it make part of the demo ?
> >>>> I'm asking this because in the tutorial the new site is in fact a part of the demo (even if I write "self add: e", the css is still there).
> >>>>> For "blast from the past" you can also look at WebSecurityManagerApp
> >>>>> with a really old code, back to 1996 :)
>

> Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 ? 23:28 +0200, Janko Miv?ek a ?crit :
>> nicolas petton wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, this redirection is strange on first sight for every Smalltalker
>>>> too, but with a bit of explanation you can understand the reason behind:
>>>>   a support for another separation between content and style - between
>>>> HTML and CSS. CSS support (and style support in general, like "framing"
>>>> of page with above mentioned method) is therefore delegated to WebStyle
>>>> and its subclasses.
>>> So, what is the best way to style a site ? Subclassing WebStyle, and
>>> surcharging #pageFrameWith:title: and some other methods, or create a
>>> new class from scratch (since WebStyle directly inherit from Object, and
>>> this class has a lot of methods I may not want) ?
>> Subclassing WebStyle and overriding existing methods while reusing
>> WebStyle ones (like images) is the best way. Just ignore methods you
>> don't want or in case of css* methods override them with empty ones to
>> nil them.
>
> Will all css and javascript methods be automatically included ?

>>  This is a bit clumsy, I know, I'm working on a solution...
>>
>>>> Another neat feature is that you can change styles on runtime, simply by
>>>> changing style in AIDASite.
>>>>
>>>> Third reason: that way you can host a same application to many customers
>>>> at once, with different style for each. That way you can simply
>>>> customize you app to customer wishes, but still run all of them from the
>>>> same image.
>>>>
>>>> But WebStyle don't hold only CSS, but also images and JS code. Images
>>>> are stored in methods (so called method images).
>>> Is there a simple way to upload images into method images ?
>> Yes, see some method image how it was created, for instance
>>
>> WebStyle>>arrowOrangeRightGif
>>
>> "'imgs/dars-arrow2.gif' asFilename contentsAsMethod"
>>
>> This code in comment was inspected and result copied in a body of that
>> method image. This is how it is done on VisualWorks, On Squeak you have
>> String contentsAsMethod, which you can use similarly.
>>
>>
>>>>  The same goes with
>>>> JavaScript code. This is similar to WAFileLibrary in Seaside.
>>>>
>>>> And I'm extending WebStyle to support Joomla templates ...
>>> Very good :) !
>>>
>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>>> Van: aida-bounces na aidaweb.si [mailto:aida-bounces na aidaweb.si] Namens nicolas petton
>>>>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 oktober 2007 19:53
>>>>>> Aan: AIDA/Web general discussion list
>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [aida] Stupid question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 ? 15:10 +0200, Janko Miv?ek a ?crit :
>>>>>>> Hi Nicolas,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Janko
>>>>>>> nicolas petton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a stupid question... where is the code of aidademo site ?
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I cannot find it.
>>>>>>> Do you mean a code, which run what is shown  when you start a demo site?
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>> First page is from WebDiscussions/WebDiscussionsApp (in Aida-Parts),
>>>>>>> then there is WebDemoApp for demos, in same category, and WebAdminApp
>>>>>>> from Aida-Admin.
>>>>>> Thanks, I saw it, but I mean the main part of the site (ie the header, the sidebar on the left, stylesheet, etc). Does it make part of the demo ?
>>>>>> I'm asking this because in the tutorial the new site is in fact a part of the demo (even if I write "self add: e", the css is still there).
>>>>>>> For "blast from the past" you can also look at WebSecurityManagerApp
>>>>>>> with a really old code, back to 1996 :)
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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