Suffers Seaside from amateurish circle-jerk mentality?
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Suffers Seaside from amateurish circle-jerk mentality?
 
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- several new proposals to improve Seaside - discussions of Smalltalk design principles - psychological founded critiques of the Seaside community - Ajax requests without callbacks - English as a difficult language for most Seasiders - and why a commentator thinks that "Seaside has been infected with the same amateurish circle-jerk mentality that's corrupted Squeak" - and why he considers that "this has little to do with national differences and everything to do with professional vs amateur efforts" causing incestuous inbreeding". on my Seaside and Smalltalk blog P.S. Beware: Truth causes pain. -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Suffers Seaside from amateurish circle-jerk mentality?
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2009/5/6 Peter Jedermann <[hidden email]>:
> > Open-minded Seasiders might want to read: > - several new proposals to improve Seaside > - discussions of Smalltalk design principles > - psychological founded critiques of the Seaside community > - Ajax requests without callbacks > - English as a difficult language for most Seasiders > - and why a commentator thinks that "Seaside has been infected with the same > amateurish circle-jerk mentality that's corrupted Squeak" > - and why he considers that "this has little to do with national differences > and everything to do with professional vs amateur efforts" causing > incestuous inbreeding". > Seems like you now vent to the field of sociology extrapolating theories on Seaside community. If you think this will help you to be heard here - i wish you Good Luck. But i suspecting, that amateurs in programming is likely know even less about sociology :) > on my Seaside and Smalltalk blog > > P.S. Beware: Truth causes pain. > > > > > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Igor,
it seems the trollbot has now booted ObsessionOS 2.0. Best, Michael _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by TheSmalltalkBlog
Hi Peter,
I am sorry that I am not English
native speaker, so I am not sure to use the right words, but I suppose that you
are confusing unpoliteness with your declared "politically incorrectness"; why
don't you develop yourself a new Seaside, if it so bad?
Ciao
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In reply to this post by Igor Stasenko
Why don't you just write all those improvements instead of writing about why should they be done? With all the energy you're spending on your blog you'd probably have forked a new framework derived from Seaside already. Besides, if I remember well, you're that guy using a very (very, VERY) obsolete version of Seaside and complaining about it. The way I see it, you got only a couple of choices:
a. Upgrade your version, you'd be amazed how big something can grow in like 5 years... b. Still don't like the new version? Improve it. c. Think your improvements would have to change the way Seaside works way too much? Fork it. d. Too lazy for any of the above? Don't use it. BTW I like the pedantry of your blog, beginning with its very name: THE Smalltalk Blog. Good luck with your solo war against «life, the universe and everything». Thank god google invented this smart "Silence it" feature! Bernat. -- O HAI I'M IN UR FOOTER SIGNATURING UR MAILZ _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by Lorenzo
Hi Lorenzo,
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Lorenzo Schiavina <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Peter, the trollbot's name is *not* Peter. "Peter Jedermann" is the German version of "John Doe". scnr, Michael _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Thanks Michael; in any way, I hope that the "smart guy" will understand he
is not so smart! And not even "politically incorrect" but only stupid! Cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Haupt" <[hidden email]> To: "Seaside - general discussion" <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Seaside] Suffers Seaside from amateurish circle-jerk mentality? Hi Lorenzo, On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Lorenzo Schiavina <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Peter, the trollbot's name is *not* Peter. "Peter Jedermann" is the German version of "John Doe". scnr, Michael _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Suffers Seaside from amateurish circle-jerk mentality? @Bernat
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In reply to this post by Bernat Romagosa
All wrong Bernat:
1) We are using 2.8, just one behind the current. With too many bug fixes in our code to move onto 2.9 easily. Little gain, too. 2) "Improve it." We have and still do. More here. 3) "instead of writing about why should they be done" Because ignorant "gods of Seaside" like Bryant, Renggli, Sastre et al are unwilling to acknowledge that their undocumented cryptic and poorly object-oriented style pissed many people off - me being the only one to publish the truth that many others had to encounter before. 4) you like the pedantry of my blog?! Fine! You will get much more - just to warn newbies of the darker sides of Seaside and mabe wake up those ignorant "gods of Seaside" by the time my crititcs hurt too much. Expect more from me....! There could be more but most is on my blog already.
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In reply to this post by Lorenzo
Peter is a genius. Peter likes fishsticks.Peter likes putting fishsticks in his mouth. Peter doesn't understand why people keep calling him a gay fish. On May 6, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Lorenzo Schiavina wrote:
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Hi Michael,
My impression is that using gay bashing as an insult is
both irrelevant and off-topic.
Victor
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This is not gay bashing. It's reference to South Park, about how some people twist and distort the reality around them to feed their massive ego.
Michael On May 6, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Victor wrote:
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