Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

> Let me give everyone an update on what is going on with Scratch.app, I've seen lots of discussion and speculation flow by on the esug, scratch and pharo lists, some of it correct, and some of it incorrect.
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> First, Scratch.app was remove from sale in the app store because the Scratch programming language is an interpreted language, and it's not on the approved interpreted language list.  My understanding is that Apple has not yet rejected apps because they are "made" with a particular language.  The rejection is solely due to the result of Scratch being a non approved 'interpreted" language.
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> Second, I drafted a letter titled: "Rejecting an app with foundations in the Dynabook vision" and posted it to: https://devforums.apple.com/thread/46425
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> At this time, this letter is not for public viewing since I want to have more discussion with Apple and the paid Apple developer community. It seems having public rage about the unfairness about what Apple is doing just makes Apple less receptive to dialog. I would ask the community not to cross post my letter anywhere until we have had more discussions with Apple. As an example this morning there was talk with a member of the App review team about having this matter ending up on Phil Shiller's desk.
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> Third, I sent a copy of the letter to Steve Jobs.  He did respond.  Our incomplete conversation is private, no solution or decision has been reached, and due to Apple's earnings reports coming up next tuesday I don't foresee any activity on the matter until after that event.
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> Fourth, I have interest & support from Dr Alan Kay, Dr Mitchel Resnick, and others, I think people do take the matter about the freedom to write applications in a language of their choosing and using a particular implementation (interpreted, JIT, compiled) seriously, so I hope movement with Apple on the general topic will occur shortly.
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> Once Apple's management team has made a response I'm sure you will all hear about it.
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> Obviously I'm collecting media links on the issue http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Scratch.html
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> Please continue your efforts!
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Graham McLeod wrote:
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>> I think it is an excellent and balanced article.
>> That is likely to have much more impact than an emotional "boycott apple" reaction from within ESUG.
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> Give a turing award price and will be less emotional!
> At each level its own reaction now if we do not do anything as plain idiot normal programmers then may be
> we deserve it.
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>> Please continue your efforts!
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> Morning, I've posted the letter I had posted to the Apple developer forums and sent to Steve Jobs at
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> http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/Interpreters.html
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> I'll suggest there was some lifting of concept and quotes by Wired from letter.
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> As of this morning I have no further news, I have heard thru various sources that the issue is not dead yet,
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> So I wait.
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> On 2010-04-16, at 11:09 AM, John M McIntosh wrote:
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>> Let me give everyone an update on what is going on with Scratch.app
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> On 2010-04-21, at 1:13 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
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>> Good!
>> John in future version it may be good to mention that ESUG supported this VM work for the iphone.
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>> STef
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> Yes, I did conduct a magazine interview today where I ensured I did mentioned that ESUG funding was
> instrumental in getting the foundations of Scratch (aka Squeak VM) onto the iPhone, otherwise it
> would never have happened.

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> On 2010-04-22, at 6:22 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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>> I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their
>> web page. Apple will get a bad press.
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> Yes well I don't think that will achieve much.
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> Personally I think that the people here involved in the education & university domains need to write actual paper based letters on their
> institution's letter head and mail them to the Apple education reps for their countries stating their concern about Apple's legal agreements
> that appear to lockout the iPad for extraordinary use in the computer science curriculum.  
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> This involves passionately arguing for the ability to program, or teach in something other than C, C++, Obj-C or Javascript, I"m sure others are
> more capable than me in composing that, as a software engineer my words aren't worth much, but I think computer science departments should
> be voicing their concern on the direction where things appear to be going.
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