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Giuseppe
Hi list,

Nico, I can see thath you maintain the Tamaris Package.

There are some site where I can see what is the proppose of this, and
how to use it? I'm not sure for what is Tamaris.

Cheers.
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Re: Tamaris

Janko Mivšek
Giuseppe Luigi Punzi wrote:

> Nico, I can see thath you maintain the Tamaris Package.
>
> There are some site where I can see what is the proppose of this, and
> how to use it? I'm not sure for what is Tamaris.

I'm using it, very recommended! See attached screenshot of my
dev.environment with Tamaris. Bot Nico will tell you more.

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Re: Tamaris

Nicolas Petton
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Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 12:50 +0200, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi a écrit :
> Hi list,
>
> Nico, I can see thath you maintain the Tamaris Package.
>
> There are some site where I can see what is the proppose of this, and
> how to use it? I'm not sure for what is Tamaris.

Hi,

From the Tamaris website:

Tamaris is an object explorer for squeak. Objects can be managed inside
one or several taxonomies. A taxonomy is represented as a tree of
objects references. Basically, an object is handled as a simple object
reference node that allow referenced object to be viewed by a standard
inspector. Some specialized reference classes are already implemented as
class or system category references. They make Tamaris a powerful
developement tool with:
      * multi classifications : one manager can manage severals
        classifications;
      * multi-pane facilities : one window can be splitted horizontally
        or vertically; one classification manager per window pane;
      * linkable items : a classification item can be linked elsewhere,
        in its classification or into another one;
      * history and searching facilities;
      * recents and bookmarks;
      * and other features: try it!

It's not very easy to use the first time, but after that it is VERY VERY
useful. In the same window you have class browsers, Transcript and
workspace, you can navigate very easily, find superclasses, subclasses,
navigate trough the history, etc

Tamaris is so powerful that if you learn to use this tool you will
probably always use it :)

If you have questions about how to use it, you can ask me.

Ohh, I almost forgot, the website:
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris/

The author of Tamaris is a good friend, do not hesitate to ask him
questions too:
[hidden email]

And Janko, good to see that you finally use it ;)

Cheers!

Nico
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Re: Tamaris

Giuseppe
I tried to visit website before ask, but the site didn't work,

As I can see, you may change in Universes package, HomePage from
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/Tamaris to
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris (lowercase T).

Then, for newbs like me, is a System Browser, with transcript, worskpace
included :P

I will try it, thanks ;)

nico escribió:

> Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 12:50 +0200, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi a écrit :
>  
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Nico, I can see thath you maintain the Tamaris Package.
>>
>> There are some site where I can see what is the proppose of this, and
>> how to use it? I'm not sure for what is Tamaris.
>>    
>
> Hi,
>
> From the Tamaris website:
>
> Tamaris is an object explorer for squeak. Objects can be managed inside
> one or several taxonomies. A taxonomy is represented as a tree of
> objects references. Basically, an object is handled as a simple object
> reference node that allow referenced object to be viewed by a standard
> inspector. Some specialized reference classes are already implemented as
> class or system category references. They make Tamaris a powerful
> developement tool with:
>       * multi classifications : one manager can manage severals
>         classifications;
>       * multi-pane facilities : one window can be splitted horizontally
>         or vertically; one classification manager per window pane;
>       * linkable items : a classification item can be linked elsewhere,
>         in its classification or into another one;
>       * history and searching facilities;
>       * recents and bookmarks;
>       * and other features: try it!
>
> It's not very easy to use the first time, but after that it is VERY VERY
> useful. In the same window you have class browsers, Transcript and
> workspace, you can navigate very easily, find superclasses, subclasses,
> navigate trough the history, etc
>
> Tamaris is so powerful that if you learn to use this tool you will
> probably always use it :)
>
> If you have questions about how to use it, you can ask me.
>
> Ohh, I almost forgot, the website:
> http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris/
>
> The author of Tamaris is a good friend, do not hesitate to ask him
> questions too:
> [hidden email]
>
> And Janko, good to see that you finally use it ;)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Nico
>  
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Re: Tamaris

Rob Rothwell
Have you been able to extract the tamaris.pdf file just to try and get started?  This does look very useful, but I'm not sure where to begin!

Rob

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi <[hidden email]> wrote:
I tried to visit website before ask, but the site didn't work,

As I can see, you may change in Universes package, HomePage from
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/Tamaris to
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris (lowercase T).

Then, for newbs like me, is a System Browser, with transcript, worskpace
included :P

I will try it, thanks ;)

nico escribió:
> Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 12:50 +0200, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi a écrit :
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Nico, I can see thath you maintain the Tamaris Package.
>>
>> There are some site where I can see what is the proppose of this, and
>> how to use it? I'm not sure for what is Tamaris.
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> From the Tamaris website:
>
> Tamaris is an object explorer for squeak. Objects can be managed inside
> one or several taxonomies. A taxonomy is represented as a tree of
> objects references. Basically, an object is handled as a simple object
> reference node that allow referenced object to be viewed by a standard
> inspector. Some specialized reference classes are already implemented as
> class or system category references. They make Tamaris a powerful
> developement tool with:
>       * multi classifications : one manager can manage severals
>         classifications;
>       * multi-pane facilities : one window can be splitted horizontally
>         or vertically; one classification manager per window pane;
>       * linkable items : a classification item can be linked elsewhere,
>         in its classification or into another one;
>       * history and searching facilities;
>       * recents and bookmarks;
>       * and other features: try it!
>
> It's not very easy to use the first time, but after that it is VERY VERY
> useful. In the same window you have class browsers, Transcript and
> workspace, you can navigate very easily, find superclasses, subclasses,
> navigate trough the history, etc
>
> Tamaris is so powerful that if you learn to use this tool you will
> probably always use it :)
>
> If you have questions about how to use it, you can ask me.
>
> Ohh, I almost forgot, the website:
> http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris/
>
> The author of Tamaris is a good friend, do not hesitate to ask him
> questions too:
> [hidden email]
>
> And Janko, good to see that you finally use it ;)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Nico
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Re: Tamaris

Giuseppe
tamaris.pdf?     o_O!

El 23/06/2008, a las 23:42, Rob Rothwell escribió:

Have you been able to extract the tamaris.pdf file just to try and get started?  This does look very useful, but I'm not sure where to begin!

Rob

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi <[hidden email]> wrote:
I tried to visit website before ask, but the site didn't work,

As I can see, you may change in Universes package, HomePage from
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/Tamaris to
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris (lowercase T).

Then, for newbs like me, is a System Browser, with transcript, worskpace
included :P

I will try it, thanks ;)

nico escribió:
> Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 12:50 +0200, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi a écrit :
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Nico, I can see thath you maintain the Tamaris Package.
>>
>> There are some site where I can see what is the proppose of this, and
>> how to use it? I'm not sure for what is Tamaris.
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> From the Tamaris website:
>
> Tamaris is an object explorer for squeak. Objects can be managed inside
> one or several taxonomies. A taxonomy is represented as a tree of
> objects references. Basically, an object is handled as a simple object
> reference node that allow referenced object to be viewed by a standard
> inspector. Some specialized reference classes are already implemented as
> class or system category references. They make Tamaris a powerful
> developement tool with:
>       * multi classifications : one manager can manage severals
>         classifications;
>       * multi-pane facilities : one window can be splitted horizontally
>         or vertically; one classification manager per window pane;
>       * linkable items : a classification item can be linked elsewhere,
>         in its classification or into another one;
>       * history and searching facilities;
>       * recents and bookmarks;
>       * and other features: try it!
>
> It's not very easy to use the first time, but after that it is VERY VERY
> useful. In the same window you have class browsers, Transcript and
> workspace, you can navigate very easily, find superclasses, subclasses,
> navigate trough the history, etc
>
> Tamaris is so powerful that if you learn to use this tool you will
> probably always use it :)
>
> If you have questions about how to use it, you can ask me.
>
> Ohh, I almost forgot, the website:
> http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris/
>
> The author of Tamaris is a good friend, do not hesitate to ask him
> questions too:
> [hidden email]
>
> And Janko, good to see that you finally use it ;)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Nico
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Re: Tamaris

Rob Rothwell
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
tamaris.pdf?     o_O!

Just going by the readme, but it doesn't seem to be in the sar file...

Opening Tamaris :
    from "world menu/open"
    From a workspace: Tamaris open
   
For more Tamaris functionalities you can install following package :
    - MultiSelectionInLists
    - SIXX en Yaxo for taxonomies input/output via XML files;
    - SmaCC Smalltalk Compiler-Compiler-Development with developpment environment
    - Scamper
    - Monticello
    - Refactoring browser
    - ODBC, ODBCenh and TamODBC for some basic database admin and query functionalities

You can read Tamaris.pdf as a quick start guide (sorry but it's minimal and sure bad english).

enjoy!

Feel free to send me remarks
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Re: Tamaris

Nicolas Petton
I don't understand your problem.
You can't read the pdf?

Cheers!

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Re: Tamaris

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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:47 PM, nico <[hidden email]> wrote:
I don't understand your problem.
You can't read the pdf?

No...I just can't find it anywhere!  Is it in the sar?  Can I download it somewhere?

Thanks,

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Re: Tamaris

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The problem I have is thath I can't find it.

I must be blind or something, but, I don't see it in the web, or sar
package, or monticello package, or universe directory......



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> I don't understand your problem.
> You can't read the pdf?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Nico
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Re: Tamaris

Nicolas Petton
You can download it here: http://bioskop.fr/tamaris.pdf

Cheers!

Nico


Le mardi 24 juin 2008 à 09:24 +0200, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi a écrit :

> The problem I have is thath I can't find it.
>
> I must be blind or something, but, I don't see it in the web, or sar
> package, or monticello package, or universe directory......
>
>
>
> nico escribió:
> > I don't understand your problem.
> > You can't read the pdf?
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Nico
> >  
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http://bioskop.fr/tamaris.pdf



Rob Rothwell escribió:

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:47 PM, nico <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     I don't understand your problem.
>     You can't read the pdf?
>
>
> No...I just can't find it anywhere!  Is it in the sar?  Can I download
> it somewhere?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
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Re: Tamaris

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Thanks!

Rob

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:34 AM, nico <[hidden email]> wrote:
You can download it here: http://bioskop.fr/tamaris.pdf

Cheers!

Nico


Le mardi 24 juin 2008 à 09:24 +0200, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi a écrit :
> The problem I have is thath I can't find it.
>
> I must be blind or something, but, I don't see it in the web, or sar
> package, or monticello package, or universe directory......
>
>
>
> nico escribió:
> > I don't understand your problem.
> > You can't read the pdf?
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Nico
> >
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I know this is old news, but there is a port to Squeak3.9 and greater here:


Which gives you the option to open a browser of your choice...

Rob

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi <[hidden email]> wrote:
I tried to visit website before ask, but the site didn't work,

As I can see, you may change in Universes package, HomePage from
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/Tamaris to
http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris (lowercase T).

Then, for newbs like me, is a System Browser, with transcript, worskpace
included :P

I will try it, thanks ;)

nico escribió:
> Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 12:50 +0200, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi a écrit :
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Nico, I can see thath you maintain the Tamaris Package.
>>
>> There are some site where I can see what is the proppose of this, and
>> how to use it? I'm not sure for what is Tamaris.
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> From the Tamaris website:
>
> Tamaris is an object explorer for squeak. Objects can be managed inside
> one or several taxonomies. A taxonomy is represented as a tree of
> objects references. Basically, an object is handled as a simple object
> reference node that allow referenced object to be viewed by a standard
> inspector. Some specialized reference classes are already implemented as
> class or system category references. They make Tamaris a powerful
> developement tool with:
>       * multi classifications : one manager can manage severals
>         classifications;
>       * multi-pane facilities : one window can be splitted horizontally
>         or vertically; one classification manager per window pane;
>       * linkable items : a classification item can be linked elsewhere,
>         in its classification or into another one;
>       * history and searching facilities;
>       * recents and bookmarks;
>       * and other features: try it!
>
> It's not very easy to use the first time, but after that it is VERY VERY
> useful. In the same window you have class browsers, Transcript and
> workspace, you can navigate very easily, find superclasses, subclasses,
> navigate trough the history, etc
>
> Tamaris is so powerful that if you learn to use this tool you will
> probably always use it :)
>
> If you have questions about how to use it, you can ask me.
>
> Ohh, I almost forgot, the website:
> http://cassoulet.univ-brest.fr/squeak/tamaris/
>
> The author of Tamaris is a good friend, do not hesitate to ask him
> questions too:
> [hidden email]
>
> And Janko, good to see that you finally use it ;)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Nico
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Re: Tamaris

Nicolas Petton
Le dimanche 29 juin 2008 à 11:31 -0400, Rob Rothwell a écrit :
> I know this is old news, but there is a port to Squeak3.9 and greater
> here:
>
>
> http://map.squeak.org/package/178c6c18-a387-41b7-9179-4fb27cc2dc28/autoversion/4
>
>
> Which gives you the option to open a browser of your choice...

The latest version in Universes works fine with squeak3.9 and works with
OB too.

there is also a squeaksource repo:
http://www.squeaksource.com/Tamaris.html

Cheers!

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On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:35 AM, nico <[hidden email]> wrote:
Le dimanche 29 juin 2008 à 11:31 -0400, Rob Rothwell a écrit :
> I know this is old news, but there is a port to Squeak3.9 and greater
> here:
>
>
> http://map.squeak.org/package/178c6c18-a387-41b7-9179-4fb27cc2dc28/autoversion/4
>
>
> Which gives you the option to open a browser of your choice...

The latest version in Universes works fine with squeak3.9 and works with
OB too.

So it does...!

there is also a squeaksource repo:
http://www.squeaksource.com/Tamaris.html

What is TamarisAddons and TamarisLoader?

Take Care,

Rob

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Re: Tamaris

Janko Mivšek
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Nico,

About Tamaris, can you add auto freeze of taxonomy instead of manual
with that button? I got really angry when forgoing to save/freeze view
when switching to other taxonomy. I'd really appreciate that enhancement!

Janko

nico wrote:

> Le dimanche 29 juin 2008 à 11:31 -0400, Rob Rothwell a écrit :
>> I know this is old news, but there is a port to Squeak3.9 and greater
>> here:
>>
>>
>> http://map.squeak.org/package/178c6c18-a387-41b7-9179-4fb27cc2dc28/autoversion/4
>>
>>
>> Which gives you the option to open a browser of your choice...
>
> The latest version in Universes works fine with squeak3.9 and works with
> OB too.
>
> there is also a squeaksource repo:
> http://www.squeaksource.com/Tamaris.html
>
> Cheers!
>
> Nico
>
>
>
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Re: Tamaris

Nicolas Petton
Le dimanche 29 juin 2008 à 17:49 +0200, Janko Mivšek a écrit :
> Nico,
>
> About Tamaris, can you add auto freeze of taxonomy instead of manual
> with that button? I got really angry when forgoing to save/freeze view
> when switching to other taxonomy. I'd really appreciate that enhancement!

Unfortunately, the author doesn't want to improve Tamaris anymore. Last
time we talked about it, he was thinking about a new version from
scratch, with a new name too.

Anyway, I'll ask him.

Nico
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Re: Tamaris

Rob Rothwell
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:58 AM, nico <[hidden email]> wrote:
Unfortunately, the author doesn't want to improve Tamaris anymore. Last
time we talked about it, he was thinking about a new version from
scratch, with a new name too.

Well...once you've "figured it out," you usually get bored!  I definitely admire the folks who finish what they started in spite of that fact.

At any rate, I'm giving it a try...it looks like a really useful way to organize your work.

Rob

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