Textile instead of 'Pier Syntax'

Hi Folks,

I was fairly excited to stumble across Pier as this is a system that I  
was actually intending to write for a client. There are a ton of CMS's  
out there, but none of them as far as I know allow one to edit in  
place the entire system, other than say CMSbox, which is out of reach  
where I live.

I envisioned a little more Ajax+Scriptaculous goodness in the update  
process, and also a preview-accept transaction in the editing process.  
Since I use Ruby on Rails in my day job, I was intending to use that  
as well, since I know it well, and I'm only getting started using  
Seaside for toy projects.

Pier seems to be pretty much what I need out of 'out of the box',  
excepting the points I made above. However, I'm curious why 'Pier  
Syntax' was developed instead of using an already popular markup like  
Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides 'Pier  
Syntax' ? I haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are no plans  
for any other Markup, how hard do you think it would be to implement a  
different markup besides Pier Syntax for a professional programmer  
that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh, I don't know, Textile? :)

Thanks!

DZ


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> Pier seems to be pretty much what I need out of 'out of the box', excepting the points I made above. However, I'm curious why 'Pier Syntax' was developed instead of using an already popular markup like Textile? Are there any plans to use other markups besides 'Pier Syntax' ? I haven't looked at the code yet, but if there are no plans for any other Markup, how hard do you think it would be to implement a different markup besides Pier Syntax for a professional programmer that knows some Smalltalk, say like, oh, I don't know, Textile? :)

The Pier Syntax dates back to SmallWiki (2002) and SWiki (even much
older). I don't think there was Textile at that time.

Pier theoretically supports different parsers. Currently you need to
patch 2 methods to make a different one work, not nice but that could
be improved. I have an working but unfinished parser for Creole lying
around already for years.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Hi Daniel,

Welcome to Pier. Can I ask how did you hear of it?

Cheers,
Doru


On 26 Jul 2009, at 09:11, Lukas Renggli wrote:

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Lukas Renggli wrote: Is this the GSOC project which implemented creole?

Keith
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On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> Welcome to Pier.

Thank you!

> Can I ask how did you hear of it?

Hi, I believe I first "heard" about it on the "Weekly Squeak" I have  
an on-again-off-again relationship with Squeak/Smalltalk. I've been  
teaching my kids programming with Squeak for awhile now, and I've  
known about Squeak/SmallTalk for, it seems like forever. I have this  
weird situation where I'm familiar with some things in Squeak, but am  
a rank newbie with other things.

DZ

>
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
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On Jul 26, 2009, at 2:11 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

Ah, I see. I didn't know it was based on something much older. IIRC  
Textile was around about 2002-2004, but probably not as popular as it  
is now.

>
>
> Pier theoretically supports different parsers. Currently you need to
> patch 2 methods to make a different one work, not nice but that could
> be improved. I have an working but unfinished parser for Creole lying
> around already for years.

What I want is a CMS that uses in-place editing, but without using a  
crappy WYSIWYG javascript editor, like TinyMCE or OpenWYSIWYG. Not to  
insult those implementations, but I always seem to run into problems  
using them, and so I prefer using a Wiki editing approach like using  
Textile.

Pier is almost perfect, except that it uses Pier Syntax instead of  
Textile. I personally don't have a problem with that, but using Pier  
without a Textile parser means teaching my users yet another Markup.  
Getting them to accept Textile was painful enough, I'd rather code a  
Textile parser for Pier rather than teach them Pier Syntax :)

I'm not sure my Smalltalk skills are up to that task or not. I'm  
certainly willing to try though.

DZ


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no
lukas implemented creole and helvetia

Stef

On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:

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