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A new version of Sound was added to project The Inbox:
http://source.squeak.org/inbox/Sound-ct.70.mcz

==================== Summary ====================

Name: Sound-ct.70
Author: ct
Time: 1 October 2019, 11:24:29.223339 pm
UUID: 2f133210-3aa3-7140-96bf-52dc03b1dea6
Ancestors: Sound-eem.66

Add example "Yesterday" for SampledSound

This commit is part of reconstruction of Objectland (also known as "The Worlds of Squeak"). For more information, see: http://forum.world.st/The-Inbox-MorphicExtras-ct-267-mcz-td5104764.html

=============== Diff against Sound-eem.66 ===============

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>exampleYesterday (in category 'examples') -----
+ exampleYesterday
+ "SampledSound exampleYesterday play"
+
+ ^ SampledSound
+ samples: (SoundBuffer fromByteArray: (Base64MimeConverter mimeDecodeToBytes:
+ self yesterdaySamples readStream) contents)
+ samplingRate: 22050!

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>yesterdaySamples (in category 'examples') -----
(excessive size, no diff calculated)


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Re: The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz

marcel.taeumel
What about the copyright here? Is it the Beatles song?

Best,
Marcel

Am 01.10.2019 23:25:13 schrieb [hidden email] <[hidden email]>:

A new version of Sound was added to project The Inbox:
http://source.squeak.org/inbox/Sound-ct.70.mcz

==================== Summary ====================

Name: Sound-ct.70
Author: ct
Time: 1 October 2019, 11:24:29.223339 pm
UUID: 2f133210-3aa3-7140-96bf-52dc03b1dea6
Ancestors: Sound-eem.66

Add example "Yesterday" for SampledSound

This commit is part of reconstruction of Objectland (also known as "The Worlds of Squeak"). For more information, see: http://forum.world.st/The-Inbox-MorphicExtras-ct-267-mcz-td5104764.html

=============== Diff against Sound-eem.66 ===============

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>exampleYesterday (in category 'examples') -----
+ exampleYesterday
+ "SampledSound exampleYesterday play"
+
+ ^ SampledSound
+ samples: (SoundBuffer fromByteArray: (Base64MimeConverter mimeDecodeToBytes:
+ self yesterdaySamples readStream) contents)
+ samplingRate: 22050!

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>yesterdaySamples (in category 'examples') -----
(excessive size, no diff calculated)




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Re: The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz

Christoph Thiede

Good point. It's at least not the original Beatles version with lyrics, but rather a cover version. Google does not recognize it.

Can't we assume that a copyright check has been made before it was released within the old Worlds of Squeak?


Otherwise, hypothetically I could replace it with a license-free song without the same melancholic touch ...


Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2019 08:53:32
An: Alan Grimes via Squeak-dev
Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz
 
What about the copyright here? Is it the Beatles song?

Best,
Marcel

Am 01.10.2019 23:25:13 schrieb [hidden email] <[hidden email]>:

A new version of Sound was added to project The Inbox:
http://source.squeak.org/inbox/Sound-ct.70.mcz

==================== Summary ====================

Name: Sound-ct.70
Author: ct
Time: 1 October 2019, 11:24:29.223339 pm
UUID: 2f133210-3aa3-7140-96bf-52dc03b1dea6
Ancestors: Sound-eem.66

Add example "Yesterday" for SampledSound

This commit is part of reconstruction of Objectland (also known as "The Worlds of Squeak"). For more information, see: http://forum.world.st/The-Inbox-MorphicExtras-ct-267-mcz-td5104764.html

=============== Diff against Sound-eem.66 ===============

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>exampleYesterday (in category 'examples') -----
+ exampleYesterday
+ "SampledSound exampleYesterday play"
+
+ ^ SampledSound
+ samples: (SoundBuffer fromByteArray: (Base64MimeConverter mimeDecodeToBytes:
+ self yesterdaySamples readStream) contents)
+ samplingRate: 22050!

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>yesterdaySamples (in category 'examples') -----
(excessive size, no diff calculated)




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Christoph Thiede

Hi all, I'd like to finally get this done.


I propose to use the following cover version instead, which is flagged with a CC-BY license on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcQqXLwHeXw


If there any objections, please let me know soon, otherwise I will upload this version.


Best,

Christoph


Von: Thiede, Christoph
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2019 13:57:45
An: Squeak Dev
Betreff: AW: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz
 

Good point. It's at least not the original Beatles version with lyrics, but rather a cover version. Google does not recognize it.

Can't we assume that a copyright check has been made before it was released within the old Worlds of Squeak?


Otherwise, hypothetically I could replace it with a license-free song without the same melancholic touch ...


Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2019 08:53:32
An: Alan Grimes via Squeak-dev
Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz
 
What about the copyright here? Is it the Beatles song?

Best,
Marcel

Am 01.10.2019 23:25:13 schrieb [hidden email] <[hidden email]>:

A new version of Sound was added to project The Inbox:
http://source.squeak.org/inbox/Sound-ct.70.mcz

==================== Summary ====================

Name: Sound-ct.70
Author: ct
Time: 1 October 2019, 11:24:29.223339 pm
UUID: 2f133210-3aa3-7140-96bf-52dc03b1dea6
Ancestors: Sound-eem.66

Add example "Yesterday" for SampledSound

This commit is part of reconstruction of Objectland (also known as "The Worlds of Squeak"). For more information, see: http://forum.world.st/The-Inbox-MorphicExtras-ct-267-mcz-td5104764.html

=============== Diff against Sound-eem.66 ===============

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>exampleYesterday (in category 'examples') -----
+ exampleYesterday
+ "SampledSound exampleYesterday play"
+
+ ^ SampledSound
+ samples: (SoundBuffer fromByteArray: (Base64MimeConverter mimeDecodeToBytes:
+ self yesterdaySamples readStream) contents)
+ samplingRate: 22050!

Item was added:
+ ----- Method: SampledSound class>>yesterdaySamples (in category 'examples') -----
(excessive size, no diff calculated)




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David T. Lewis
I love the idea of having more examples like this, although the data
size is rather large.

Maybe someone can suggest a good strategy for handling this? We don't
want to start adding 7MB sound files to the image, and we know from
long experience that web links tend to go stale in embarassing ways.

I Squeakland Etoys, projects are stored externally and served from
a reliable well-known site. Maybe something similar could work for
multimedia referenced from the image. We certainly have plenty of
spare capacity on the squeak.org at the moment, just as long as
somebody doesn't come along and make us start paying for it.

I don't know the answer but it would be nice to have a working solution
that didn't go stale every time the intenet gets updated ;-)

Dave


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 07:56:22PM +0000, Thiede, Christoph wrote:

> Hi all, I'd like to finally get this done.
>
>
> I propose to use the following cover version instead, which is flagged with a CC-BY license on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcQqXLwHeXw
>
>
> If there any objections, please let me know soon, otherwise I will upload this version.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph
>
> ________________________________
> Von: Thiede, Christoph
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2019 13:57:45
> An: Squeak Dev
> Betreff: AW: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz
>
>
> Good point. It's at least not the original Beatles version with lyrics, but rather a cover version. Google does not recognize it.
>
> Can't we assume that a copyright check has been made before it was released within the old Worlds of Squeak?
>
>
> Otherwise, hypothetically I could replace it with a license-free song without the same melancholic touch ...
>
> ________________________________
> Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2019 08:53:32
> An: Alan Grimes via Squeak-dev
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz
>
> What about the copyright here? Is it the Beatles song?
>
> Best,
> Marcel
>
> Am 01.10.2019 23:25:13 schrieb [hidden email] <[hidden email]>:
>
> A new version of Sound was added to project The Inbox:
> http://source.squeak.org/inbox/Sound-ct.70.mcz
>
> ==================== Summary ====================
>
> Name: Sound-ct.70
> Author: ct
> Time: 1 October 2019, 11:24:29.223339 pm
> UUID: 2f133210-3aa3-7140-96bf-52dc03b1dea6
> Ancestors: Sound-eem.66
>
> Add example "Yesterday" for SampledSound
>
> This commit is part of reconstruction of Objectland (also known as "The Worlds of Squeak"). For more information, see: http://forum.world.st/The-Inbox-MorphicExtras-ct-267-mcz-td5104764.html
>
> =============== Diff against Sound-eem.66 ===============
>
> Item was added:
> + ----- Method: SampledSound class>>exampleYesterday (in category 'examples') -----
> + exampleYesterday
> + "SampledSound exampleYesterday play"
> +
> + ^ SampledSound
> + samples: (SoundBuffer fromByteArray: (Base64MimeConverter mimeDecodeToBytes:
> + self yesterdaySamples readStream) contents)
> + samplingRate: 22050!
>
> Item was added:
> + ----- Method: SampledSound class>>yesterdaySamples (in category 'examples') -----
> (excessive size, no diff calculated)
>
>

>


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Re: The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz

darth-cheney


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 4:36 PM David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
Maybe someone can suggest a good strategy for handling this? We don't
want to start adding 7MB sound files to the image, and we know from
long experience that web links tend to go stale in embarassing ways.

How about some audio from the Wikimedia Commons? It's unlikely the URLs would go stale for those.
--
Eric


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Christoph Thiede

Hi Dave, Hi Eric,


thanks for the pointers. First, I don't know whether we want to have every image automatically download a file when you open Objectland, and because it should be easily explorable, I would not like to make an extra button "Click here to download a sound file" for it. If we decide we can make automatical downloads, Eric, can we upload any CC-free audio file to Wikimedia Commons and be sure it will never be deleted, or do we use any song that is already there?


This takes about 3 seconds for a 30 seconds wave file on my machine:

SampledSound fromWaveStream: (HTTPSocket httpGet: 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Bach_Brandenburg_4_coda_to_the_3rd_movement.wav')


Opening Objectland should not be terribly slow ... Hm, maybe we should just use the existing bachFugue sound, but I wanted to demonstrate Squeak's capability of playing wave files beside midi files, too ...

Best,
Christoph

Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Eric Gade <[hidden email]>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2020 23:06:02
An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Sound-ct.70.mcz
 


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 4:36 PM David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
Maybe someone can suggest a good strategy for handling this? We don't
want to start adding 7MB sound files to the image, and we know from
long experience that web links tend to go stale in embarassing ways.

How about some audio from the Wikimedia Commons? It's unlikely the URLs would go stale for those.
--
Eric