The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
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On 11 Feb 2014, at 20:08, Eliot Miranda <[hidden email]> wrote:
Eliot, I made NB optional in Pharo3… you should not have problems (from that side) to simulate the image. But I’m also willing to help in anything else that is needed. Just point me your problem and I will try to solve it :) Esteban
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In reply to this post by Janko Mivšek
Janko, Thank you for sharing the details of your concern. It is better to deal with facts rather than hints and allusions, since the former is something the defendant and community can respond to and the latter can conjure the worst imagination and polarise both defendant and community. I can understand your need for hinting since it can be difficult to call out a leader in the community, and perhaps is why you've shouldered this burden since 2010. Unfortunately such burdens can sour our perspective on matters. As a reasonably independent observer (in Australia doing Smalltalk just 2 years by myself) looking at the facts you've presented, this seems to me more to a difference of opinion and perspective than a violation of ethics. Certainly your perspective as a GSoC Admin will be different from me observing from the outside, but I think that Stéphane as a representative of ESUG has some right to specify parameters for a project like GSoC running under their name. It just would have been better this was done more transparently/publicly, and also that the project parameters are publicly defined up front before the project begins, but then life doesn't always happen like the ideal - there always ends up gray areas that were not previously considered. I hope that having shared these details, even if community sentiment did not go the way you assumed, there is some sense of a burden has lifted. I particularly appreciate that you've stepped back from the GSoC Admin role you obviously care a lot about, to allow the project to proceed with someone outside the conflict. Personally I would be glad to see you involved again at a later time, though some bridge building may be needed. Stef, I hope that after some time, even though this was damaging to you, you might consider there were some honorable intentions that drove Janko's motivations over the last three years, even if these were poorly communicated. My kind regards to you both, -ben Janko Mivšek wrote: > Time therefore to expose that sad story from GSoC 2010. So that the > community can judge by themselves if my claims are insults or real. > > For the start, this was not a money matter but meddling into project > selection process. > > Here is the story: > > On GSoC 2010 Gilad Bracha proposed a Newspeak/Smalltalk Import/Export > Tool project idea [1]. After the idea was put on ideas list [2], > Stéphane Ducasse ordered my co-admin to remove Gilad's idea from the > list. Co-admin told that to me. I was shocked that someone can come to > such an idea to remove something even in the idea phase from the GSoC. > Of course I rejected such an order immediately. > > Even more, co-admin was at that time just starting the postgraduade > study under the Mr.Ducasse mentorship. You can imagine how he felt, like > between two fires. It is reasonable therefore to suspect that Mr.Duccase > uses his power as a mentor over postgraduate student to try to achieve > his goal. > > What was the motivation of Mr.Ducasse to made such a blatant act was not > quite clear to me. And is also not important. Important is that such > removal attempts are totally unacceptable. Only GSoC mentors have that > right by reviewing and voting on the projects to be finally selected for > stipendiums. > > In any case, this incident was a start of my thinking and working on > GSoC to be as transparent, neutral and independent as possible. > > Best regards > Janko > > [1] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool > [2] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas > |
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