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For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports.
Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? thanks, Norbert |
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As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo).
Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P Esteban > On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: > > For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. > > Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? > > thanks, > > Norbert > > |
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As one of the few (maybe the only user) of Tide, I can say that it is
powerful but painful ;-) Amber is changing (quite) fast, and the current version of Tide is not usable with the default version. I made some small changes to make Tide work with the current setup of Amber, but still there are a couple of "gotchas" that are needed to make it work. I wanted to write something about that, but I am still in deep development phase. If you are really interested, I may help you setup an example project. However, as Esteban said, think twice if this is what you need. Tide is quite powerful, but unless you don't need strong integration with javascript libraries Seaside is probably easier. Tommaso On 13/03/15 14:51, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). > Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P > > Esteban > >> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >> >> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >> >> thanks, >> >> Norbert >> >> > |
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> Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>: > > As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). > Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P > Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P Norbert > Esteban > >> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >> >> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >> >> thanks, >> >> Norbert >> >> > > |
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> Am 13.03.2015 um 15:13 schrieb Tommaso Dal Sasso <[hidden email]>: > > As one of the few (maybe the only user) of Tide, I can say that it is powerful but painful ;-) > Amber is changing (quite) fast, and the current version of Tide is not usable with the default version. I made some small changes to make Tide work with the current setup of Amber, but still there are a couple of "gotchas" that are needed to make it work. > > I wanted to write something about that, but I am still in deep development phase. If you are really interested, I may help you setup an example project. > However, as Esteban said, think twice if this is what you need. Tide is quite powerful, but unless you don't need strong integration with javascript libraries Seaside is probably easier. > Thanks. That's something I (don't) wanted to hear. :) Maybe it is because there aren't that much amber users and there are (of course) even less users of amber+tide. I personally loved the idea when first encountering tide. But I know as well there are gotchas. thanks, Norbert > Tommaso > > > On 13/03/15 14:51, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). >> Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P >> >> Esteban >> >>> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >>> >>> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >> > > |
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>> Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>:
>> >> As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). >> Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P >> > Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P Yes and we should get a documentation. > > Norbert > >> Esteban >> >>> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >>> >>> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >> > > |
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> On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>> Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>: >>> >>> As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). >>> Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P >>> >> Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P > > Yes and we should get a documentation. Yes :P here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two… and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until… well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :) Esteban >> >> Norbert >> >>> Esteban >>> >>>> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >>>> >>>> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > |
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> On 14 Mar 2015, at 09:05, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>>> Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>> As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). >>>> Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P >>>> >>> Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P >> >> Yes and we should get a documentation. > > Yes :P > here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two… and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. > Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). > All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until… well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :) > > Esteban Excellent decision. Pushing out projects into open source is one (easy) thing, sticking with them, supporting them for years another (but only then become they really valuable). One should choose wisely. > >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>>> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Norbert |
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> Yes :P > here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two… and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. > Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). > All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until… well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :) Yes there are both important. Stef |
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More Reef docs, or a podcast recording (I can pick your brain there,
just tell me when). I'd love to use Reef but need help to start. Phil On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>>> Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>> As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). >>>> Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P >>>> >>> Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P >> >> Yes and we should get a documentation. > > Yes :P > here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two… and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. > Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). > All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until… well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :) > > Esteban > >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>>> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > |
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Hi phil
there is a draft of a documentation I tried to write from before esteban joined the team but since I did not know it .... It is on github in the book in the progres folder https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoInProgress Stef Le 14/3/15 13:06, [hidden email] a écrit : > More Reef docs, or a podcast recording (I can pick your brain there, > just tell me when). > > I'd love to use Reef but need help to start. > > Phil > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> On 13 Mar 2015, at 20:36, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>>> Am 13.03.2015 um 14:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>: >>>>> >>>>> As one of the authors of Tide, I wouldn’t recommend to use it today… unless you are planning to maintain it too, because atm I do not have time to do it and Nico (the other/main author is not working on smalltalk anymore… nor amber or pharo). >>>>> Instead, I would use Seaside+Reef :P >>>>> >>>> Is Reef better maintained than Tide? :P >>> Yes and we should get a documentation. >> Yes :P >> here is the thing: I have far too many children/projects so I decided to keep maintaining just two… and I picked the two I think are contributions more important to community: Voyage and Reef. >> Also they have the advantage (for me) of being 100% Pharo (for me, this is a big constraint to work on Tide right now: I do not have time to keep the track if two communities). >> All other projects (Mars, Storm, etc.) will sleep until… well, until someday I have insomnia and I want to work on something different :) >> >> Esteban >> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>>> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> For an upcoming project I'm thinking about what technology to use. I think it will be seaside or amber+tide. For the latter I would like to have some experience reports. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is anyone of you using tide and what is your experience with it? >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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Thx Le 14 mars 2015 14:14, "stepharo" <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi phil |
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