Hey guys,
Now that the new compiler has been pushed into master, I'd really like to schedule a release (0.10). I'd like to see the grunt branch merged for that, but maybe it can wait for the next release? Is there anything else missing that you would like to see included too? About Helios, I really don't think it can be part of the release, but it will be the main focus of the next one. As soon as Helios will be ready, then I'd like to release Amber 1.0. Nico -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
Nobody answered... I just want to say that maybe the release could include the stepping debugger, once it's been properly tested. IMHO, that'd be quite a MAJOR release feature :)
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Hi Bernat!
While I agree that it would really be nice, I don't want to spend too much time on the old IDE while Helios is in progress. Maybe including the stepping debugger can be reused later for Helios though, so we'll see :) Nico Bernat Romagosa <[hidden email]> writes: > Nobody answered... I just want to say that maybe the release could include > the stepping debugger, once it's been properly tested. > > IMHO, that'd be quite a MAJOR release feature :) > > Cheers, > > > 2013/2/13 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> > >> Hey guys, >> >> Now that the new compiler has been pushed into master, I'd really like >> to schedule a release (0.10). >> >> I'd like to see the grunt branch merged for that, but maybe it can wait >> for the next release? Is there anything else missing that you would like >> to see included too? >> >> About Helios, I really don't think it can be part of the release, but it >> will be the main focus of the next one. As soon as Helios will be ready, >> then I'd like to release Amber 1.0. >> >> Nico >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [hidden email]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
The Firebase key-value store looks really interesting. It seems to give us the equivalent of a multiuser, realtime, Dictionary object, with security etc.
I would love to create a Model class to abstract away all of the persistence mechanics - a bit like using Gemstone. What I am not sure about is what to include in the HTML scaffolding, and what would logically go in some Amber classes.
Could anyone give some suggestions about how they would implement e following JavaScript in Amber? In particularly, i am not sure how one handles the creation of callback functions in Amber. Note: I am assuming that one would load the Firebase script library in the HTML, but perhaps that isn't necessary either
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Hi Andy. I was also considering using firebase with amber. Here are a few tips for getting closer to running your code. Note that due to a few changes to amber smalltalk, I'm not sure if this still works, I've been using 0.9.1 until the release,
myBlockCallback := [:snapshot :previousChildName | block code here ]. myDataRef := Firebase newValue: 'https://xxx.firebaseio-demo.com/'. myDataRef on: 'child_added' value: myBlockCallback. Here's some comments on my above code: First, you can use a block for a function, second, you can use newValue in the case of "new Firebase(xxx)" , third, in the last line you can see a multiple argument function call . The name of "value:" could be anything you'd like, since javascript does not have a name for the 2nd , 3rd, etc. argument to the function call. Also, keep in mind, as of older versions of amber you can always wrap some javascript code in < > . I believe this is being phased out, however. Sorry for the incomplete tips. Hopefully it gets you a bit closer to what you are trying to achieve, maybe someone else can fill in the gaps :)
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Hi Nico,
having a new release with the new compiler and all the other fixes would be great. However, there are a few problems left with compiling some source files with amberc right now starting with Kernel-Objects.st.
I'll open an issue for this on GitHub. Merging the grunt branch depends on what functionality is expected to be working in the next release. Regarding the stepping debugger I think that it should be tested heavily before making it the default debugger.
After those problems are sorted out we should go ahead and make the release. Best, Manfred On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote: Hey guys, You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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Hello, Thanks very much for the help. I am getting much closer, but it doesn't quite work. Inspecting Firebase newValue: 'https://xvmvy8px9vs.firebaseio-demo.com/'. Shows a JSProxy that appears to be correctly configured. However, attempting to assign that, i.e.
tmp99 := Firebase newValue: 'https://xvmvy8px9vs.firebaseio-demo.com/'. Brings up the debugger, with it complaining about nil value.
If I define tmp99 in the Chrome console, I can then (with Amber) use it for things like tmp99 set: 'this is the value'. It then correctly writes to Firebase - which is excellent!
So, can anyone shed some light on whatever I am doing wrong? By the way, I am using 0.9.1 Cheers Andy
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Quick update. It seems as though there is something wrong with the workspace I am using. It won't event accept tmp1 := 'hello'. Clearly, I need to sort that out first! Cheers Andy On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Andy Burnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Success - in a very limited way ;-) The following code loads the Firebase library, creates an instance of a datastore on their server, and writes the data. The next step will be to implement the callback functions, and start updating the display. The great thing about Firebase is that it does realtime updates to all connected clients, and we don't have to worry about the servers at all!
|myDataRef| jQuery getScript: 'https://cdn.firebase.com/v0/firebase.js'. myDataRef := Firebase newValue: 'https://abc.firebaseio.com'.
myDataRef set: #{'key name'->'value at key'}. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Xekoukoulotakis Apostolos <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I agree. The stepping debugger probably won't make it for this release.
The next step is probably to kill the remaining bugs :) Nico Manfred Kröhnert <[hidden email]> writes: > Hi Nico, > > having a new release with the new compiler and all the other fixes would be > great. > > However, there are a few problems left with compiling some source files > with amberc right now starting with Kernel-Objects.st. > I'll open an issue for this on GitHub. > > Merging the grunt branch depends on what functionality is expected to be > working in the next release. > Regarding the stepping debugger I think that it should be tested heavily > before making it the default debugger. > > After those problems are sorted out we should go ahead and make the release. > > Best, > Manfred > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> Now that the new compiler has been pushed into master, I'd really like >> to schedule a release (0.10). >> >> I'd like to see the grunt branch merged for that, but maybe it can wait >> for the next release? Is there anything else missing that you would like >> to see included too? >> >> About Helios, I really don't think it can be part of the release, but it >> will be the main focus of the next one. As soon as Helios will be ready, >> then I'd like to release Amber 1.0. >> >> Nico > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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I like the release often concept! When a big task is done it it time for a release. On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:52:17 AM UTC-5, nicolas petton wrote: Hey guys, You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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sorry didn't catch this one earlier.
By all means release. It was hard work to reach this milestone and we need to yield results. If we wait to stepping debugger and/or Helios for that we will feel a big hit on our momentum. If we release now, we'll have some time to mature the new compiler for the time the real debugger comes. I say we keep it warm and release On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
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Hi!
Well, you know I think the release should happen asap, since the last one was long long ago and users deserve all the new things. I'd like to see #353 fixed and if it is possible have new grunt build systems included before the actual release. But if the latter would take time, fixing #353 is I think enough for release. Herby Nicolas Petton wrote: > Hi Bernat! > > While I agree that it would really be nice, I don't want to spend too > much time on the old IDE while Helios is in progress. > > Maybe including the stepping debugger can be reused later for Helios > though, so we'll see :) > > Nico > > Bernat Romagosa<[hidden email]> writes: > >> Nobody answered... I just want to say that maybe the release could include >> the stepping debugger, once it's been properly tested. >> >> IMHO, that'd be quite a MAJOR release feature :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> 2013/2/13 Nicolas Petton<[hidden email]> >> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> Now that the new compiler has been pushed into master, I'd really like >>> to schedule a release (0.10). >>> >>> I'd like to see the grunt branch merged for that, but maybe it can wait >>> for the next release? Is there anything else missing that you would like >>> to see included too? >>> >>> About Helios, I really don't think it can be part of the release, but it >>> will be the main focus of the next one. As soon as Helios will be ready, >>> then I'd like to release Amber 1.0. >>> >>> Nico >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "amber-lang" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [hidden email]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Bernat Romagosa. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
Hi everybody,
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote:
-- Hi! it would also be nice to have #345 [1] fixed before the actual release. Based on this I could probably make a first version of the grunt build system which is able to compile all Smalltalk sources.
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On 2/28/13, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi! > > Well, you know I think the release should happen asap, +1 since the last > one was long long ago and users deserve all the new things. > > I'd like to see #353 fixed and if it is possible have new grunt build > systems included before the actual release. But if the latter would take > time, fixing #353 is I think enough for release. > > Herby > > Nicolas Petton wrote: >> Hi Bernat! >> >> While I agree that it would really be nice, I don't want to spend too >> much time on the old IDE while Helios is in progress. >> >> Maybe including the stepping debugger can be reused later for Helios >> though, so we'll see :) >> >> Nico >> >> Bernat Romagosa<[hidden email]> writes: >> >>> Nobody answered... I just want to say that maybe the release could >>> include >>> the stepping debugger, once it's been properly tested. >>> >>> IMHO, that'd be quite a MAJOR release feature :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> 2013/2/13 Nicolas Petton<[hidden email]> >>> >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> Now that the new compiler has been pushed into master, I'd really like >>>> to schedule a release (0.10). >>>> >>>> I'd like to see the grunt branch merged for that, but maybe it can wait >>>> for the next release? Is there anything else missing that you would >>>> like >>>> to see included too? >>>> >>>> About Helios, I really don't think it can be part of the release, but >>>> it >>>> will be the main focus of the next one. As soon as Helios will be >>>> ready, >>>> then I'd like to release Amber 1.0. >>>> >>>> Nico >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "amber-lang" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>> email to [hidden email]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bernat Romagosa. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "amber-lang" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [hidden email]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
If everything goes fine, I will release this week.
Does anyone want to prepare an announcement? (Göran is incredibly good at that). The changelog will be huge :) Nico On Mar 4, 2013, at 3:14 AM, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 2/28/13, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Well, you know I think the release should happen asap, > > +1 > > > since the last >> one was long long ago and users deserve all the new things. >> >> I'd like to see #353 fixed and if it is possible have new grunt build >> systems included before the actual release. But if the latter would take >> time, fixing #353 is I think enough for release. >> >> Herby >> >> Nicolas Petton wrote: >>> Hi Bernat! >>> >>> While I agree that it would really be nice, I don't want to spend too >>> much time on the old IDE while Helios is in progress. >>> >>> Maybe including the stepping debugger can be reused later for Helios >>> though, so we'll see :) >>> >>> Nico >>> >>> Bernat Romagosa<[hidden email]> writes: >>> >>>> Nobody answered... I just want to say that maybe the release could >>>> include >>>> the stepping debugger, once it's been properly tested. >>>> >>>> IMHO, that'd be quite a MAJOR release feature :) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/2/13 Nicolas Petton<[hidden email]> >>>> >>>>> Hey guys, >>>>> >>>>> Now that the new compiler has been pushed into master, I'd really like >>>>> to schedule a release (0.10). >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to see the grunt branch merged for that, but maybe it can wait >>>>> for the next release? Is there anything else missing that you would >>>>> like >>>>> to see included too? >>>>> >>>>> About Helios, I really don't think it can be part of the release, but >>>>> it >>>>> will be the main focus of the next one. As soon as Helios will be >>>>> ready, >>>>> then I'd like to release Amber 1.0. >>>>> >>>>> Nico >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "amber-lang" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an >>>>> email to [hidden email]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bernat Romagosa. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "amber-lang" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [hidden email]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [hidden email]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
There must be more information about the examples in the distro.
e.g. Google charts, processing (which fails at the moment, kind of a DNU somewhere), the presentations (one of them isn't working I think and one needs to dig to understand how to use them - the fact that <- and -> are mentioned on the second slide for a beginner isn't helping, twitterwall). Not sure if webos still makes sense. There are still mentions of JTalk in READMEs etc. If you give me commit rights, I can fix some of those. Or I can just do that on my fork. Phil 2013/3/5 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>: > If everything goes fine, I will release this week. > > Does anyone want to prepare an announcement? (Göran is incredibly good at that). > The changelog will be huge :) > > Nico > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 3:14 AM, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> On 2/28/13, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> Well, you know I think the release should happen asap, >> >> +1 >> >> >> since the last >>> one was long long ago and users deserve all the new things. >>> >>> I'd like to see #353 fixed and if it is possible have new grunt build >>> systems included before the actual release. But if the latter would take >>> time, fixing #353 is I think enough for release. >>> >>> Herby >>> >>> Nicolas Petton wrote: >>>> Hi Bernat! >>>> >>>> While I agree that it would really be nice, I don't want to spend too >>>> much time on the old IDE while Helios is in progress. >>>> >>>> Maybe including the stepping debugger can be reused later for Helios >>>> though, so we'll see :) >>>> >>>> Nico >>>> >>>> Bernat Romagosa<[hidden email]> writes: >>>> >>>>> Nobody answered... I just want to say that maybe the release could >>>>> include >>>>> the stepping debugger, once it's been properly tested. >>>>> >>>>> IMHO, that'd be quite a MAJOR release feature :) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/2/13 Nicolas Petton<[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> Now that the new compiler has been pushed into master, I'd really like >>>>>> to schedule a release (0.10). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to see the grunt branch merged for that, but maybe it can wait >>>>>> for the next release? Is there anything else missing that you would >>>>>> like >>>>>> to see included too? >>>>>> >>>>>> About Helios, I really don't think it can be part of the release, but >>>>>> it >>>>>> will be the main focus of the next one. As soon as Helios will be >>>>>> ready, >>>>>> then I'd like to release Amber 1.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nico >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "amber-lang" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an >>>>>> email to [hidden email]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bernat Romagosa. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "amber-lang" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [hidden email]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "amber-lang" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [hidden email]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:24 AM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > If you give me commit rights, I can fix some of those. Or I can just > do that on my fork. Yes, please do that on your fork. Then you can send us pull requests. Cheers, Nico -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
Yes, I have been doing that. I wasn't using git with pull requests so far.
Have been learning my lesson. Having a date fo a podcast? Phil 2013/3/8 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>: > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:24 AM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> If you give me commit rights, I can fix some of those. Or I can just >> do that on my fork. > > Yes, please do that on your fork. Then you can send us pull requests. > > Cheers, > Nico > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |
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