Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
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Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
 
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I wonder if you are aware that there is an IRC channel for Seaside? If
you have any interest in the viability of IRC for support and discussion of Seaside I suggest it's time you start using this channel. Weeks have gone by with no discussion with the exception of questions that go completely unanswered. Having a channel that is not used is merely misguiding to those who check opensource IRC channels for support options. If this channel is not used more soon I strongly suggest that it simply be deleted as it is hurting more than it helps in my opinion. Ken P.S. Yes, I hang out there but it has been years since I have used Seaside and I'm there primarily to try to keep some connection with the current status of this project (much the same reason I'm still on this mailing list). I'm of little or no use in helping other users with Seaside at this point much less the common questions regarding Pier, for example. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
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whatever.
I mean: we failed to create a culture of being friendly one to each other on IRC. We don't even show signals of even wanting that. So retiring it will have zero impact. Actually retiring it may have 2 cents of positive value (because of expectations). The email list works just fine but it's too formal for certain on the fly questions that exists in every community. The thing is that the email is just too "on the record" to make people comfortable to ask stupid questions (that everybody have from time to time and are perfectly normal, even fun and should be asked harmlessly) But if nobody gives a shit about an environment comfortable for that, then it has sense to retire it so new people at least isn't confused about having the hope of get an answer when they are asking there On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Ken Causey wrote: > I wonder if you are aware that there is an IRC channel for Seaside? If > you have any interest in the viability of IRC for support and discussion > of Seaside I suggest it's time you start using this channel. > > Weeks have gone by with no discussion with the exception of questions > that go completely unanswered. Having a channel that is not used is > merely misguiding to those who check opensource IRC channels for support > options. If this channel is not used more soon I strongly suggest that > it simply be deleted as it is hurting more than it helps in my opinion. > > Ken > > P.S. Yes, I hang out there but it has been years since I have used > Seaside and I'm there primarily to try to keep some connection with the > current status of this project (much the same reason I'm still on this > mailing list). I'm of little or no use in helping other users with > Seaside at this point much less the common questions regarding Pier, for > example. > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
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I don't use IRC. I've tried it but never liked it and I find it a
burden to follow. So I'm afraid you won't find me in there any time soon... If people want to have an IRC channel, however, that's simply a matter of there being enough community interest to populate it. If there isn't such interest from the community, then we should definitely "retire" it (not that I have any idea how one even does that :) ). Julian On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]> wrote: > whatever. > > I mean: we failed to create a culture of being friendly one to each other on IRC. We don't even show signals of even wanting that. So retiring it will have zero impact. > > Actually retiring it may have 2 cents of positive value (because of expectations). > > The email list works just fine but it's too formal for certain on the fly questions that exists in every community. The thing is that the email is just too "on the record" to make people comfortable to ask stupid questions (that everybody have from time to time and are perfectly normal, even fun and should be asked harmlessly) > > But if nobody gives a shit about an environment comfortable for that, then it has sense to retire it so new people at least isn't confused about having the hope of get an answer when they are asking there > > > > On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Ken Causey wrote: > >> I wonder if you are aware that there is an IRC channel for Seaside? If >> you have any interest in the viability of IRC for support and discussion >> of Seaside I suggest it's time you start using this channel. >> >> Weeks have gone by with no discussion with the exception of questions >> that go completely unanswered. Having a channel that is not used is >> merely misguiding to those who check opensource IRC channels for support >> options. If this channel is not used more soon I strongly suggest that >> it simply be deleted as it is hurting more than it helps in my opinion. >> >> Ken >> >> P.S. Yes, I hang out there but it has been years since I have used >> Seaside and I'm there primarily to try to keep some connection with the >> current status of this project (much the same reason I'm still on this >> mailing list). I'm of little or no use in helping other users with >> Seaside at this point much less the common questions regarding Pier, for >> example. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
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I agree with Julian, IRC does work for Seaside. Obviously nobody has
time to constantly watch for incoming questions (which kind of makes sense to me). In the past I tried to go in and answer open questions every now and then, but that is obviously not the idea of IRC. Note that we get quite a few questions on stackoverflow.com that potentially have a much wider visibility in non-Smalltalk communities. If a Seaside question pops up I get notified. IMHO it would give Seaside more exposure if more people contributed, wrote answers, commented and voted. Lukas On Monday, 17 January 2011, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote: > I don't use IRC. I've tried it but never liked it and I find it a > burden to follow. So I'm afraid you won't find me in there any time > soon... > > If people want to have an IRC channel, however, that's simply a matter > of there being enough community interest to populate it. If there > isn't such interest from the community, then we should definitely > "retire" it (not that I have any idea how one even does that :) ). > > Julian > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Sebastian Sastre > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> whatever. >> >> I mean: we failed to create a culture of being friendly one to each other on IRC. We don't even show signals of even wanting that. So retiring it will have zero impact. >> >> Actually retiring it may have 2 cents of positive value (because of expectations). >> >> The email list works just fine but it's too formal for certain on the fly questions that exists in every community. The thing is that the email is just too "on the record" to make people comfortable to ask stupid questions (that everybody have from time to time and are perfectly normal, even fun and should be asked harmlessly) >> >> But if nobody gives a shit about an environment comfortable for that, then it has sense to retire it so new people at least isn't confused about having the hope of get an answer when they are asking there >> >> >> >> On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Ken Causey wrote: >> >>> I wonder if you are aware that there is an IRC channel for Seaside? If >>> you have any interest in the viability of IRC for support and discussion >>> of Seaside I suggest it's time you start using this channel. >>> >>> Weeks have gone by with no discussion with the exception of questions >>> that go completely unanswered. Having a channel that is not used is >>> merely misguiding to those who check opensource IRC channels for support >>> options. If this channel is not used more soon I strongly suggest that >>> it simply be deleted as it is hurting more than it helps in my opinion. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> P.S. Yes, I hang out there but it has been years since I have used >>> Seaside and I'm there primarily to try to keep some connection with the >>> current status of this project (much the same reason I'm still on this >>> mailing list). I'm of little or no use in helping other users with >>> Seaside at this point much less the common questions regarding Pier, for >>> example. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
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Well said, our days are busy as is, as much as I might like participating in such a channel, it is simply impossible to do at work w/o sacrificing productivity in a major way. Sites like stack overflow or this mailing list are much more suited to an occasional review/response cycle.
Sent from my iPhone On 17 Jan 2011, at 18:13, "Lukas Renggli" <[hidden email]> wrote: > I agree with Julian, IRC does work for Seaside. Obviously nobody has > time to constantly watch for incoming questions (which kind of makes > sense to me). In the past I tried to go in and answer open questions > every now and then, but that is obviously not the idea of IRC. > > Note that we get quite a few questions on stackoverflow.com that > potentially have a much wider visibility in non-Smalltalk communities. > If a Seaside question pops up I get notified. IMHO it would give > Seaside more exposure if more people contributed, wrote answers, > commented and voted. > > Lukas > > On Monday, 17 January 2011, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I don't use IRC. I've tried it but never liked it and I find it a >> burden to follow. So I'm afraid you won't find me in there any time >> soon... >> >> If people want to have an IRC channel, however, that's simply a matter >> of there being enough community interest to populate it. If there >> isn't such interest from the community, then we should definitely >> "retire" it (not that I have any idea how one even does that :) ). >> >> Julian >> >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Sebastian Sastre >> <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> whatever. >>> >>> I mean: we failed to create a culture of being friendly one to each other on IRC. We don't even show signals of even wanting that. So retiring it will have zero impact. >>> >>> Actually retiring it may have 2 cents of positive value (because of expectations). >>> >>> The email list works just fine but it's too formal for certain on the fly questions that exists in every community. The thing is that the email is just too "on the record" to make people comfortable to ask stupid questions (that everybody have from time to time and are perfectly normal, even fun and should be asked harmlessly) >>> >>> But if nobody gives a shit about an environment comfortable for that, then it has sense to retire it so new people at least isn't confused about having the hope of get an answer when they are asking there >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Ken Causey wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if you are aware that there is an IRC channel for Seaside? If >>>> you have any interest in the viability of IRC for support and discussion >>>> of Seaside I suggest it's time you start using this channel. >>>> >>>> Weeks have gone by with no discussion with the exception of questions >>>> that go completely unanswered. Having a channel that is not used is >>>> merely misguiding to those who check opensource IRC channels for support >>>> options. If this channel is not used more soon I strongly suggest that >>>> it simply be deleted as it is hurting more than it helps in my opinion. >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> P.S. Yes, I hang out there but it has been years since I have used >>>> Seaside and I'm there primarily to try to keep some connection with the >>>> current status of this project (much the same reason I'm still on this >>>> mailing list). I'm of little or no use in helping other users with >>>> Seaside at this point much less the common questions regarding Pier, for >>>> example. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> seaside mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
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yes. What's more, StackOverflow makes a reputation on you and that could be quite valuable for employment interviews or things of the matter. Here is the link to the seaside tag: On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
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I'm one that from time to time tried to help and needed to ask things
in #seaside, and agree that in busy days is not possible to follow. Also agree with the StackOverflow option, seems more accurated in the current times. Cheers. Germán. 2011/1/17 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>: > yes. > What's more, StackOverflow makes a reputation on you and that could be quite > valuable for employment interviews or things of the matter. > Here is the link to the seaside tag: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/seaside > > > > > On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > > I agree with Julian, IRC does work for Seaside. Obviously nobody has > time to constantly watch for incoming questions (which kind of makes > sense to me). In the past I tried to go in and answer open questions > every now and then, but that is obviously not the idea of IRC. > > Note that we get quite a few questions on stackoverflow.com that > potentially have a much wider visibility in non-Smalltalk communities. > If a Seaside question pops up I get notified. IMHO it would give > Seaside more exposure if more people contributed, wrote answers, > commented and voted. > > Lukas > > On Monday, 17 January 2011, Julian Fitzell <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I don't use IRC. I've tried it but never liked it and I find it a > > burden to follow. So I'm afraid you won't find me in there any time > > soon... > > If people want to have an IRC channel, however, that's simply a matter > > of there being enough community interest to populate it. If there > > isn't such interest from the community, then we should definitely > > "retire" it (not that I have any idea how one even does that :) ). > > Julian > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Sebastian Sastre > > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > whatever. > > I mean: we failed to create a culture of being friendly one to each other on > IRC. We don't even show signals of even wanting that. So retiring it will > have zero impact. > > Actually retiring it may have 2 cents of positive value (because of > expectations). > > The email list works just fine but it's too formal for certain on the fly > questions that exists in every community. The thing is that the email is > just too "on the record" to make people comfortable to ask stupid questions > (that everybody have from time to time and are perfectly normal, even fun > and should be asked harmlessly) > > But if nobody gives a shit about an environment comfortable for that, then > it has sense to retire it so new people at least isn't confused about having > the hope of get an answer when they are asking there > > > > On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Ken Causey wrote: > > I wonder if you are aware that there is an IRC channel for Seaside? If > > you have any interest in the viability of IRC for support and discussion > > of Seaside I suggest it's time you start using this channel. > > Weeks have gone by with no discussion with the exception of questions > > that go completely unanswered. Having a channel that is not used is > > merely misguiding to those who check opensource IRC channels for support > > options. If this channel is not used more soon I strongly suggest that > > it simply be deleted as it is hurting more than it helps in my opinion. > > Ken > > P.S. Yes, I hang out there but it has been years since I have used > > Seaside and I'm there primarily to try to keep some connection with the > > current status of this project (much the same reason I'm still on this > > mailing list). I'm of little or no use in helping other users with > > Seaside at this point much less the common questions regarding Pier, for > > example. > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > -- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com ================================================= _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Time to retire freenode IRC channel #seaside?
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That's a pity, when I was doing my final project at the university the people at #seaside helped me a lot. Also when coding my first commercial app. It's true, though, that the last like 10 questions I've asked there ended up unanswered.
IMO, the IRC is great for short questions and doubts that are not complex enough to be asked by mail, but anyway, I didn't know the seaside community was actively using StackOverflow, so that's where I'll turn to from now on.
If it really looks like #seaside's usage curve is gonna keep going down, I guess I'd be ok with retiring it. Bernat Romagosa. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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It's IRC, so if one person wants to join #seaside, then the #seaside channel exists.
On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Ken Causey wrote: > I wonder if you are aware that there is an IRC channel for Seaside? If > you have any interest in the viability of IRC for support and discussion > of Seaside I suggest it's time you start using this channel. > > Weeks have gone by with no discussion with the exception of questions > that go completely unanswered. Having a channel that is not used is > merely misguiding to those who check opensource IRC channels for support > options. If this channel is not used more soon I strongly suggest that > it simply be deleted as it is hurting more than it helps in my opinion. > > Ken > > P.S. Yes, I hang out there but it has been years since I have used > Seaside and I'm there primarily to try to keep some connection with the > current status of this project (much the same reason I'm still on this > mailing list). I'm of little or no use in helping other users with > Seaside at this point much less the common questions regarding Pier, for > example. > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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