To Squeak or Tweak???

On 6/8/06, Randy Siler <[hidden email]> wrote:

>  CAn anyone give me a sense of how far away Tweak is?

A little more than you'd wish. :-)

>  Will knowledge of Morphic be obsoleted by Tweak?

Yes and no. Some important things will be vastly different; many
concepts will be similar or identical.

>  I don't really have a specific project in mind but rather am interested
> in getting my feet wet with the idea of building concrete, visible,
> directly manipulable models of conceptual things that empower
> understanding.

That sounds like exactly what Squeak was made to do. Have fun with it!

--Tom Phoenix

Randy Siler <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I have a question: How should I be thinking about whether to wait for  
> Tweak or jump into Squeak and start learning.

I don't think you should pitch "Squeak" against "Tweak" - it is more
like "Morphic" against "Tweak".
Now, there are many others much more capable to respond here but my take
is that in the longer run Tweak is most surely "the future".

How long it will take until the regular community developed Squeak
release to adopt Tweak as the *default* UI and drop Morhpic is a
different story - that probably takes quite a bit of work until it will
happen, at least that is *my* guess - even though ToolBuilder etc should
make the transition simpler.

By looking at:

        http://tweak.impara.de/TECHNOLOGY/Download/

It seems you can get it running in the current 3.8 image. I haven't done
it myself but I assume it works.

regards, Göran

> By looking at:
>
> http://tweak.impara.de/TECHNOLOGY/Download/
>
> It seems you can get it running in the current 3.8 image. I haven't done
> it myself but I assume it works.

Yes it work but be carefull the server is quite busy and download can faild.

For me I had to merge package one by one because I couldn't reinstall
it, so it toke me a lote of time.

>
> regards, Göran
>
>

Hello Randy,

RS> CAn anyone give me a sense of how far away Tweak is? 

sorry I can't but:

RS> Thank you very much for taking the time,
RS> I'm very much enjoying learning from what you all write,

Squeak is fun and you shouldn't deny the fun to yourself just because
something you might learn will soon be obsolete! BTW I guess it won't
that soon.

Go ahead today, get some of the free books, and begin. Morphic is not
covered in the books but there are tutorials on the swiki. And Morphic
is a big part of the fun (to me at least). Just playing with morphs or
using a morphic package like connectors is rewarding in itself.

Cheers


Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

Tweak is installed in the Croquet image - is that based on Squeak 3.8?

Yours

Bob

> By looking at:
>
> http://tweak.impara.de/TECHNOLOGY/Download/
>
> It seems you can get it running in the current 3.8 image. I haven't done
> it myself but I assume it works.

Yes it work but be carefull the server is quite busy and download can faild.

For me I had to merge package one by one because I couldn't reinstall
it, so it toke me a lote of time.

>
> regards, Göran
>
>

Robert Hawley wrote:

>Tweak is installed in the Croquet image - is that based on Squeak 3.8?
>  
>
Yes, it is.

Josh

>Yours
>
>Bob
>  
>