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Hmm...thanks! I'll see if I can figure that out...
Rob On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi Rob, _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Depends whether you use the same image across
multiple OSes...
Regards, Gary
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On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:13 , Gary Chambers wrote: > Depends whether you use the same image across multiple OSes... That is probably not that often the case, but if, what happens? Would the selected fonts fall back to Accuny? I think we should disable UpdateFontsAtImageStartup by default to not have to pay for the scanning on each image startup. People that transfer images between different OSes have the possibility to enable the preference. OK? Adrian > > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mariano Martinez Peck > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType? > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 15:00 , Steve Wirts wrote: > >> If the font reloading is taking longer than you would like for >> startup, you >> can disable it from >> PreferencesBrowser>>FreeType>>UpdateFontsAtImageStartup > > > Has anybody looked into whether the reloading is actually needed on > each startup? Couldn't that be done only when the font browser is > opened? > > That's exactly why I asked. It seems not necessary for me to be > uploaded each time the image starts. How frequently your fonts change? > > IMHO this preference must be disable by default. > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > > > > Adrian > > >> >> >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Carlos Crosetti >> <[hidden email]>wrote: >> >>> Hi, i loaded pharo, did "software update" and saved the image then >>> quit. >>> Loading again, I no longer see a file-not-found dialog, now I see a >>> "FreeType" progress bar, showing and dissapearing twice... what is >>> that? >>> >>> Regards, Carlos >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1
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Adrian Lienhard wrote:
> On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:13 , Gary Chambers wrote: > >> Depends whether you use the same image across multiple OSes... > > That is probably not that often the case, but if, what happens? Would > the selected fonts fall back to Accuny? > > I think we should disable UpdateFontsAtImageStartup by default to not > have to pay for the scanning on each image startup. People that > transfer images between different OSes have the possibility to enable > the preference. OK? +1 Long term the scanning needs to be much faster and also properly hooked into the font change mechanism for every platform. John implemented some caching for Sophie, but we never really got it fast enough to not be noticable at startup. Michael _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Sounds alright.
Regards, Gary > I think we should disable UpdateFontsAtImageStartup by default to not > have to pay for the scanning on each image startup. People that > transfer images between different OSes have the possibility to enable > the preference. OK? > > Adrian > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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ok, I created an issue and attached a cs that disables the preference:
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=863 Adrian On Jun 2, 2009, at 17:27 , Gary Chambers wrote: > Sounds alright. > > Regards, Gary > >> I think we should disable UpdateFontsAtImageStartup by default to not >> have to pay for the scanning on each image startup. People that >> transfer images between different OSes have the possibility to enable >> the preference. OK? >> >> Adrian >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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In reply to this post by Adrian Lienhard
I would be inclined to make it a 'latch preference'.
It should do the scan on first startup on a new platform and then never again unless the user asked or the image is started on a new machine. How to tell if an image was last run on that machine or platform is left as an exercise for the implementor. :-) But that would be the most useful behavior. -Todd Blanchard On Jun 2, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:13 , Gary Chambers wrote: > >> Depends whether you use the same image across multiple OSes... > > That is probably not that often the case, but if, what happens? Would > the selected fonts fall back to Accuny? > > I think we should disable UpdateFontsAtImageStartup by default to not > have to pay for the scanning on each image startup. People that > transfer images between different OSes have the possibility to enable > the preference. OK? > > Adrian > >> >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mariano Martinez Peck >> To: [hidden email] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 15:00 , Steve Wirts wrote: >> >>> If the font reloading is taking longer than you would like for >>> startup, you >>> can disable it from >>> PreferencesBrowser>>FreeType>>UpdateFontsAtImageStartup >> >> >> Has anybody looked into whether the reloading is actually needed on >> each startup? Couldn't that be done only when the font browser is >> opened? >> >> That's exactly why I asked. It seems not necessary for me to be >> uploaded each time the image starts. How frequently your fonts >> change? >> >> IMHO this preference must be disable by default. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> >> Adrian >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Carlos Crosetti >>> <[hidden email]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, i loaded pharo, did "software update" and saved the image then >>>> quit. >>>> Loading again, I no longer see a file-not-found dialog, now I see a >>>> "FreeType" progress bar, showing and dissapearing twice... what is >>>> that? >>>> >>>> Regards, Carlos >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Er, well there was a fair amount of improvement. Keep in mind we
showed the font menu each line in it's font type, which was expensive so we did the following. (a) on star tup we would check the list of font files against our known list. This actually happens really fast, the time required is for directory reads. (b) We would merge our saved known list with the new list and kick out the fonts that were deleted, or the fonts that were new. (c) For new fonts we had to read and set up in our internal font dictionary and set up in our font's menu image. (d) we saved the cached font menu forms and list in an image segment. Thus on a restart all that was required if there were no font changes was the reading of the font directorie(s). On 2-Jun-09, at 7:46 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:13 , Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> Depends whether you use the same image across multiple OSes... >> >> That is probably not that often the case, but if, what happens? Would >> the selected fonts fall back to Accuny? >> >> I think we should disable UpdateFontsAtImageStartup by default to not >> have to pay for the scanning on each image startup. People that >> transfer images between different OSes have the possibility to enable >> the preference. OK? > > +1 > > Long term the scanning needs to be much faster and also properly > hooked > into the font change mechanism for every platform. > John implemented some caching for Sophie, but we never really got it > fast enough to not be noticable at startup. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ======================================================================== _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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its
fine, thanks!
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