True headless possible ?
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And another question. Will Squeak/Pharo run under a true headless Linux
system without any X or stuff like this ??? Marten _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 05 Apr 2013, at 20:32, Marten Feldtmann <[hidden email]> wrote: > And another question. Will Squeak/Pharo run under a true headless Linux system without any X or stuff like this ??? For Pharo: yes indeed it does. Pharo includes very nice command line tools/features, stdin, stdout, stderr and logging support, terminal color support, etc... Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe Proudly supporting Pharo http://pharo.org http://association.pharo.org http://consortium.pharo.org _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi,
but AFAIK, it still needs the libraries to be present (even it it will not use them). Esteban On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 05 Apr 2013, at 20:32, Marten Feldtmann <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> And another question. Will Squeak/Pharo run under a true headless Linux system without any X or stuff like this ??? > > For Pharo: yes indeed it does. > > Pharo includes very nice command line tools/features, stdin, stdout, stderr and logging support, terminal color support, etc... > > Sven > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > Proudly supporting Pharo > http://pharo.org > http://association.pharo.org > http://consortium.pharo.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Which libraries are actually needed ???
Marten On 05.04.2013 20:42, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > Hi, > > but AFAIK, it still needs the libraries to be present (even it it will not use them). > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 05 Apr 2013, at 20:42, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > but AFAIK, it still needs the libraries to be present (even it it will not use them). No it does not: ubuntu@ip-10-226-6-28:~/smalltalk$ ldd vm/pharo linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7760000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libm.so.6 (0xb772a000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libdl.so.2 (0xb7725000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libpthread.so.0 (0xb770a000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libc.so.6 (0xb755f000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7761000) ubuntu@ip-10-226-6-28:~/smalltalk$ ldd vm/vm-display-null linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7731000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libm.so.6 (0xb76f7000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libdl.so.2 (0xb76f2000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libpthread.so.0 (0xb76d7000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libc.so.6 (0xb752c000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7732000) ubuntu@ip-10-226-6-28:~/smalltalk$ ldd vm/vm-sound-null linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb77b6000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libm.so.6 (0xb777d000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libdl.so.2 (0xb7778000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libpthread.so.0 (0xb775d000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libc.so.6 (0xb75b2000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb77b7000) No X11 libs to be seen…. > Esteban > > On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> On 05 Apr 2013, at 20:32, Marten Feldtmann <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> And another question. Will Squeak/Pharo run under a true headless Linux system without any X or stuff like this ??? >> >> For Pharo: yes indeed it does. >> >> Pharo includes very nice command line tools/features, stdin, stdout, stderr and logging support, terminal color support, etc... >> >> Sven >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> Proudly supporting Pharo >> http://pharo.org >> http://association.pharo.org >> http://consortium.pharo.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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ok then. Much better :)
On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 05 Apr 2013, at 20:42, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> but AFAIK, it still needs the libraries to be present (even it it will not use them). > > No it does not: > > ubuntu@ip-10-226-6-28:~/smalltalk$ ldd vm/pharo > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7760000) > libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libm.so.6 (0xb772a000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libdl.so.2 (0xb7725000) > libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libpthread.so.0 (0xb770a000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libc.so.6 (0xb755f000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7761000) > ubuntu@ip-10-226-6-28:~/smalltalk$ ldd vm/vm-display-null > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7731000) > libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libm.so.6 (0xb76f7000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libdl.so.2 (0xb76f2000) > libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libpthread.so.0 (0xb76d7000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libc.so.6 (0xb752c000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7732000) > ubuntu@ip-10-226-6-28:~/smalltalk$ ldd vm/vm-sound-null > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb77b6000) > libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libm.so.6 (0xb777d000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libdl.so.2 (0xb7778000) > libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libpthread.so.0 (0xb775d000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/tls/i686/nosegneg/libc.so.6 (0xb75b2000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb77b7000) > > No X11 libs to be seen…. > >> Esteban >> >> On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 05 Apr 2013, at 20:32, Marten Feldtmann <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> And another question. Will Squeak/Pharo run under a true headless Linux system without any X or stuff like this ??? >>> >>> For Pharo: yes indeed it does. >>> >>> Pharo includes very nice command line tools/features, stdin, stdout, stderr and logging support, terminal color support, etc... >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> -- >>> Sven Van Caekenberghe >>> Proudly supporting Pharo >>> http://pharo.org >>> http://association.pharo.org >>> http://consortium.pharo.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think that depends on which VM (windows VM, linux VM and OSX VM) you are using and how each of them implement the headless support.
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On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 08:32:42PM +0200, Marten Feldtmann wrote:
> And another question. Will Squeak/Pharo run under a true headless Linux > system without any X or stuff like this ??? Yes, using VNC into the image. Pharo 1.4 on Debian 6, no X. See http://samadhiweb.com/blog/2012.11.04.headless.rfb.html (That's my infrequently posted blog.) Pierce _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 6 April 2013 03:41, Pierce Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 08:32:42PM +0200, Marten Feldtmann wrote: >> And another question. Will Squeak/Pharo run under a true headless Linux >> system without any X or stuff like this ??? > > Yes, using VNC into the image. Pharo 1.4 on Debian 6, no X. > > See http://samadhiweb.com/blog/2012.11.04.headless.rfb.html > > (That's my infrequently posted blog.) > Please suggest the change to Pharo mailing list. I think best would be to create a configuration to RFB and add your patch into "pharo-compat" package. So, then when you load RFB, you will get what you want. Or otherwise, change the ui manager selection mechanism, to let tools like RFB influence the selection. In any case, i'd like to point that i'm not happy with status quo, and sure thing when i introduced NonInteractiveUIManager, i had no intent of leaving RFB behind the gates. > Pierce > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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You don't need to use RFB or VNC. It is much better to use tool xpra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpra). It allows you to run PharoVM in the background on the server and in case of problems, connect to it via xpra over ssh from your client computer. Try to look at it.
Regards, Tomas Kukol On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi Tomas,
xpra looks very interesting. But looking at xpra.org, i have the impression this requires X libs on the server, right? The OP was asking about a server with no X libs available. I am looking at the same scenario. So could you tell us if xpra needs X on the server? thx Joachim |
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