UI for Shortcuts [WAS: Which Keymaps/Shortcuts do we want to have?]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

I also would like a cmd+f: search anything... but that needs also an application (like algernon, which I'm currently not supporting anymore due time issues), not just a command :(
well, at least a cmd+f: search class would be fine :)

+1
It sound like a good project for someone with time and wanting to learn :)
 

El 27/12/2010, a las 5:38a.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:

> I suggest that you define lists =
>
> simple eamcs bindings =
>       ctral a ctrle
>
> Windows manipulation
>       cmd W
>       ...
>
> Your special binding
>
>
> Then you should have contexts
>       World
>       TextMorph
>       Editor only
>
>       (of course some list will only be able to be attached to a given object programmatically
>       example: for botsinc I wanted specific binding to that morph class only -- but you do not care)
>
> then a config is
>
>       (lists, lists) context
>       (mybinding, lists, lists) context
>
> where , make sure that mybinding take precedence
>
>
> Does it make sense?
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:
>
>> What about something like the attach?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Wow, haha, this is wonderful!  So, putting some order:
>>
>> 1) shortcuts published as settings with a default?  Will that be ok?  This make me think the following:
>> - how to share shortcuts. Files?  Keymapping used to use SIXX, but maybe it is not suitable for a light solution (I don't know much about SIXX)
>> - downloading a new image (or a new version of a package with shortcuts) could make us lose our own-defined shortcuts.
>>
>> 2) support for the following shortcuts:
>>
>> - a shortcut to bring up the wolrd menu. Not sure which shortcut.
>> - use ctrl + tab  to switch between windows instead of cmd + arrows
>> - a shortcut for what it is (hidden) now with cmd + shift + click  (list of opened windows)
>> - Shortcuts for opening standard tools: Workspace, Transcript, TestRunner, etc.
>> - Shortcut for duplicating a windows
>> - a shortcut for saving the image (cmd+ shoft + s ?)
>> - a shortcut for quitting the image with and without saving
>> - a shortcut to see a list of shortcuts
>>
>> I would like to add some more items to #2, and to define the keys that triggers them.
>> #1 seems to be of some work :).  I'll work on it ASAP.
>>
>> Step by step, as Stef and Mostaza Merlo says :).
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Guille
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> + 1 :)
>> And save them as configuration
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> my wishlist:
>>>
>>> - a shortcut to see all available shortcuts and change them
>>>
>>> + a lot
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>
>
>

Hi,  I would like to discuss the UI for shortcuts and not to impose it :). So..

I was exploring the Idea of configuring the shortcuts in settings as the screenshot shows.  What do you think of that?  I don't think we need a separated tool to configure shortcuts.  Settings look ok.

Tomorrow I'll be putting a lot of effort on it ;).

Cheers!

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

I also would like a cmd+f: search anything... but that needs also an application (like algernon, which I'm currently not supporting anymore due time issues), not just a command :(
well, at least a cmd+f: search class would be fine :)

+1
It sound like a good project for someone with time and wanting to learn :)
 

El 27/12/2010, a las 5:38a.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:

> I suggest that you define lists =
>
> simple eamcs bindings =
>       ctral a ctrle
>
> Windows manipulation
>       cmd W
>       ...
>
> Your special binding
>
>
> Then you should have contexts
>       World
>       TextMorph
>       Editor only
>
>       (of course some list will only be able to be attached to a given object programmatically
>       example: for botsinc I wanted specific binding to that morph class only -- but you do not care)
>
> then a config is
>
>       (lists, lists) context
>       (mybinding, lists, lists) context
>
> where , make sure that mybinding take precedence
>
>
> Does it make sense?
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:
>
>> What about something like the attach?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Wow, haha, this is wonderful!  So, putting some order:
>>
>> 1) shortcuts published as settings with a default?  Will that be ok?  This make me think the following:
>> - how to share shortcuts. Files?  Keymapping used to use SIXX, but maybe it is not suitable for a light solution (I don't know much about SIXX)
>> - downloading a new image (or a new version of a package with shortcuts) could make us lose our own-defined shortcuts.
>>
>> 2) support for the following shortcuts:
>>
>> - a shortcut to bring up the wolrd menu. Not sure which shortcut.
>> - use ctrl + tab  to switch between windows instead of cmd + arrows
>> - a shortcut for what it is (hidden) now with cmd + shift + click  (list of opened windows)
>> - Shortcuts for opening standard tools: Workspace, Transcript, TestRunner, etc.
>> - Shortcut for duplicating a windows
>> - a shortcut for saving the image (cmd+ shoft + s ?)
>> - a shortcut for quitting the image with and without saving
>> - a shortcut to see a list of shortcuts
>>
>> I would like to add some more items to #2, and to define the keys that triggers them.
>> #1 seems to be of some work :).  I'll work on it ASAP.
>>
>> Step by step, as Stef and Mostaza Merlo says :).
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Guille
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> + 1 :)
>> And save them as configuration
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> my wishlist:
>>>
>>> - a shortcut to see all available shortcuts and change them
>>>
>>> + a lot
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>
>
>

looks cool now how can I sahre the same spec between two contexts?

On Dec 31, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:

> Hi,  I would like to discuss the UI for shortcuts and not to impose it :). So..
>
> I was exploring the Idea of configuring the shortcuts in settings as the screenshot shows.  What do you think of that?  I don't think we need a separated tool to configure shortcuts.  Settings look ok.
>
> Tomorrow I'll be putting a lot of effort on it ;).
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I also would like a cmd+f: search anything... but that needs also an application (like algernon, which I'm currently not supporting anymore due time issues), not just a command :(
> well, at least a cmd+f: search class would be fine :)
>
> +1
> It sound like a good project for someone with time and wanting to learn :)
>
>
> El 27/12/2010, a las 5:38a.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
>
> > I suggest that you define lists =
> >
> > simple eamcs bindings =
> >       ctral a ctrle
> >
> > Windows manipulation
> >       cmd W
> >       ...
> >
> > Your special binding
> >
> >
> > Then you should have contexts
> >       World
> >       TextMorph
> >       Editor only
> >
> >       (of course some list will only be able to be attached to a given object programmatically
> >       example: for botsinc I wanted specific binding to that morph class only -- but you do not care)
> >
> > then a config is
> >
> >       (lists, lists) context
> >       (mybinding, lists, lists) context
> >
> > where , make sure that mybinding take precedence
> >
> >
> > Does it make sense?
> >
> > Stef
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:
> >
> >> What about something like the attach?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Wow, haha, this is wonderful!  So, putting some order:
> >>
> >> 1) shortcuts published as settings with a default?  Will that be ok?  This make me think the following:
> >> - how to share shortcuts. Files?  Keymapping used to use SIXX, but maybe it is not suitable for a light solution (I don't know much about SIXX)
> >> - downloading a new image (or a new version of a package with shortcuts) could make us lose our own-defined shortcuts.
> >>
> >> 2) support for the following shortcuts:
> >>
> >> - a shortcut to bring up the wolrd menu. Not sure which shortcut.
> >> - use ctrl + tab  to switch between windows instead of cmd + arrows
> >> - a shortcut for what it is (hidden) now with cmd + shift + click  (list of opened windows)
> >> - Shortcuts for opening standard tools: Workspace, Transcript, TestRunner, etc.
> >> - Shortcut for duplicating a windows
> >> - a shortcut for saving the image (cmd+ shoft + s ?)
> >> - a shortcut for quitting the image with and without saving
> >> - a shortcut to see a list of shortcuts
> >>
> >> I would like to add some more items to #2, and to define the keys that triggers them.
> >> #1 seems to be of some work :).  I'll work on it ASAP.
> >>
> >> Step by step, as Stef and Mostaza Merlo says :).
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Guille
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> + 1 :)
> >> And save them as configuration
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> my wishlist:
> >>>
> >>> - a shortcut to see all available shortcuts and change them
> >>>
> >>> + a lot
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

> <shortcuts.png>

Very cool, thanks.
The setting browser is easily extendable. see how Shout colors settings are integrated.
Have a look at SHStyleSetting. the UI is declared in SHStyleSetting class>>settingInputWidgetForNode:
Maybe we can have something like that for shortcuts: a drop list for the key modifier and a text field for the shortcut character.

Cheers
Alain

Le 31/12/2010 00:28, Guillermo Polito a écrit :

Hi,  I would like to discuss the UI for shortcuts and not to impose it :). So..

I was exploring the Idea of configuring the shortcuts in settings as the screenshot shows.  What do you think of that?  I don't think we need a separated tool to configure shortcuts.  Settings look ok.

Tomorrow I'll be putting a lot of effort on it ;).

Cheers!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:

looks cool now how can I sahre the same spec between two contexts?

That's problem #2 and ortogonal to shortcuts UI I think.  Shouldn't we have the ability to export all our settings?  Not only key bindings from one place and colors from other place...
 

On Dec 31, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:

> Hi,  I would like to discuss the UI for shortcuts and not to impose it :). So..
>
> I was exploring the Idea of configuring the shortcuts in settings as the screenshot shows.  What do you think of that?  I don't think we need a separated tool to configure shortcuts.  Settings look ok.
>
> Tomorrow I'll be putting a lot of effort on it ;).
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I also would like a cmd+f: search anything... but that needs also an application (like algernon, which I'm currently not supporting anymore due time issues), not just a command :(
> well, at least a cmd+f: search class would be fine :)
>
> +1
> It sound like a good project for someone with time and wanting to learn :)
>
>
> El 27/12/2010, a las 5:38a.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
>
> > I suggest that you define lists =
> >
> > simple eamcs bindings =
> >       ctral a ctrle
> >
> > Windows manipulation
> >       cmd W
> >       ...
> >
> > Your special binding
> >
> >
> > Then you should have contexts
> >       World
> >       TextMorph
> >       Editor only
> >
> >       (of course some list will only be able to be attached to a given object programmatically
> >       example: for botsinc I wanted specific binding to that morph class only -- but you do not care)
> >
> > then a config is
> >
> >       (lists, lists) context
> >       (mybinding, lists, lists) context
> >
> > where , make sure that mybinding take precedence
> >
> >
> > Does it make sense?
> >
> > Stef
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:
> >
> >> What about something like the attach?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Wow, haha, this is wonderful!  So, putting some order:
> >>
> >> 1) shortcuts published as settings with a default?  Will that be ok?  This make me think the following:
> >> - how to share shortcuts. Files?  Keymapping used to use SIXX, but maybe it is not suitable for a light solution (I don't know much about SIXX)
> >> - downloading a new image (or a new version of a package with shortcuts) could make us lose our own-defined shortcuts.
> >>
> >> 2) support for the following shortcuts:
> >>
> >> - a shortcut to bring up the wolrd menu. Not sure which shortcut.
> >> - use ctrl + tab  to switch between windows instead of cmd + arrows
> >> - a shortcut for what it is (hidden) now with cmd + shift + click  (list of opened windows)
> >> - Shortcuts for opening standard tools: Workspace, Transcript, TestRunner, etc.
> >> - Shortcut for duplicating a windows
> >> - a shortcut for saving the image (cmd+ shoft + s ?)
> >> - a shortcut for quitting the image with and without saving
> >> - a shortcut to see a list of shortcuts
> >>
> >> I would like to add some more items to #2, and to define the keys that triggers them.
> >> #1 seems to be of some work :).  I'll work on it ASAP.
> >>
> >> Step by step, as Stef and Mostaza Merlo says :).
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Guille
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> + 1 :)
> >> And save them as configuration
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> my wishlist:
> >>>
> >>> - a shortcut to see all available shortcuts and change them
> >>>
> >>> + a lot
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

> <shortcuts.png>

Guille, I like the UI. Few comments:

- what is that KMMeta ? seems kryptic to me. Shortcuts have to be very clear and easy to understand. I really didn't understand at all :(
- what is the difference between '+' and ','  ?

Maybe a little help somewhere would be fine.
Ahhh and what about letting you type something and recognize the shortcut instead of writing it? heheh this is a good one ;)

cheers

mariano

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,  I would like to discuss the UI for shortcuts and not to impose it :). So..

I was exploring the Idea of configuring the shortcuts in settings as the screenshot shows.  What do you think of that?  I don't think we need a separated tool to configure shortcuts.  Settings look ok.

Tomorrow I'll be putting a lot of effort on it ;).

Cheers!

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

I also would like a cmd+f: search anything... but that needs also an application (like algernon, which I'm currently not supporting anymore due time issues), not just a command :(
well, at least a cmd+f: search class would be fine :)

+1
It sound like a good project for someone with time and wanting to learn :)
 

El 27/12/2010, a las 5:38a.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:

> I suggest that you define lists =
>
> simple eamcs bindings =
>       ctral a ctrle
>
> Windows manipulation
>       cmd W
>       ...
>
> Your special binding
>
>
> Then you should have contexts
>       World
>       TextMorph
>       Editor only
>
>       (of course some list will only be able to be attached to a given object programmatically
>       example: for botsinc I wanted specific binding to that morph class only -- but you do not care)
>
> then a config is
>
>       (lists, lists) context
>       (mybinding, lists, lists) context
>
> where , make sure that mybinding take precedence
>
>
> Does it make sense?
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:
>
>> What about something like the attach?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Wow, haha, this is wonderful!  So, putting some order:
>>
>> 1) shortcuts published as settings with a default?  Will that be ok?  This make me think the following:
>> - how to share shortcuts. Files?  Keymapping used to use SIXX, but maybe it is not suitable for a light solution (I don't know much about SIXX)
>> - downloading a new image (or a new version of a package with shortcuts) could make us lose our own-defined shortcuts.
>>
>> 2) support for the following shortcuts:
>>
>> - a shortcut to bring up the wolrd menu. Not sure which shortcut.
>> - use ctrl + tab  to switch between windows instead of cmd + arrows
>> - a shortcut for what it is (hidden) now with cmd + shift + click  (list of opened windows)
>> - Shortcuts for opening standard tools: Workspace, Transcript, TestRunner, etc.
>> - Shortcut for duplicating a windows
>> - a shortcut for saving the image (cmd+ shoft + s ?)
>> - a shortcut for quitting the image with and without saving
>> - a shortcut to see a list of shortcuts
>>
>> I would like to add some more items to #2, and to define the keys that triggers them.
>> #1 seems to be of some work :).  I'll work on it ASAP.
>>
>> Step by step, as Stef and Mostaza Merlo says :).
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Guille
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> + 1 :)
>> And save them as configuration
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> my wishlist:
>>>
>>> - a shortcut to see all available shortcuts and change them
>>>
>>> + a lot
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>
>
>

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:

looks cool now how can I sahre the same spec between two contexts?

That's problem #2 and ortogonal to shortcuts UI I think.  Shouldn't we have the ability to export all our settings?  Not only key bindings from one place and colors from other place...
 

There is. In the settings browser, in the top left where it says "Style", choose new...

In addition, Alain said once to add "partial settings saving" where you can jusst save some settings and not all. I am not sure its state.

cheers

mariano
 

On Dec 31, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:

> Hi,  I would like to discuss the UI for shortcuts and not to impose it :). So..
>
> I was exploring the Idea of configuring the shortcuts in settings as the screenshot shows.  What do you think of that?  I don't think we need a separated tool to configure shortcuts.  Settings look ok.
>
> Tomorrow I'll be putting a lot of effort on it ;).
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I also would like a cmd+f: search anything... but that needs also an application (like algernon, which I'm currently not supporting anymore due time issues), not just a command :(
> well, at least a cmd+f: search class would be fine :)
>
> +1
> It sound like a good project for someone with time and wanting to learn :)
>
>
> El 27/12/2010, a las 5:38a.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
>
> > I suggest that you define lists =
> >
> > simple eamcs bindings =
> >       ctral a ctrle
> >
> > Windows manipulation
> >       cmd W
> >       ...
> >
> > Your special binding
> >
> >
> > Then you should have contexts
> >       World
> >       TextMorph
> >       Editor only
> >
> >       (of course some list will only be able to be attached to a given object programmatically
> >       example: for botsinc I wanted specific binding to that morph class only -- but you do not care)
> >
> > then a config is
> >
> >       (lists, lists) context
> >       (mybinding, lists, lists) context
> >
> > where , make sure that mybinding take precedence
> >
> >
> > Does it make sense?
> >
> > Stef
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote:
> >
> >> What about something like the attach?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Wow, haha, this is wonderful!  So, putting some order:
> >>
> >> 1) shortcuts published as settings with a default?  Will that be ok?  This make me think the following:
> >> - how to share shortcuts. Files?  Keymapping used to use SIXX, but maybe it is not suitable for a light solution (I don't know much about SIXX)
> >> - downloading a new image (or a new version of a package with shortcuts) could make us lose our own-defined shortcuts.
> >>
> >> 2) support for the following shortcuts:
> >>
> >> - a shortcut to bring up the wolrd menu. Not sure which shortcut.
> >> - use ctrl + tab  to switch between windows instead of cmd + arrows
> >> - a shortcut for what it is (hidden) now with cmd + shift + click  (list of opened windows)
> >> - Shortcuts for opening standard tools: Workspace, Transcript, TestRunner, etc.
> >> - Shortcut for duplicating a windows
> >> - a shortcut for saving the image (cmd+ shoft + s ?)
> >> - a shortcut for quitting the image with and without saving
> >> - a shortcut to see a list of shortcuts
> >>
> >> I would like to add some more items to #2, and to define the keys that triggers them.
> >> #1 seems to be of some work :).  I'll work on it ASAP.
> >>
> >> Step by step, as Stef and Mostaza Merlo says :).
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Guille
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> + 1 :)
> >> And save them as configuration
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> my wishlist:
> >>>
> >>> - a shortcut to see all available shortcuts and change them
> >>>
> >>> + a lot
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <PharoScreenshot.2.png>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

> <shortcuts.png>