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VM build questions from last board meeting

timrowledge
 
At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The Truth.

a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in config files?
b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight? And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking like the threaded timer?

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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

timrowledge
 
Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...

> On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The Truth.
>
> a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in config files?
> b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
> c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight? And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking like the threaded timer?
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
>
>


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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

barniisk
 
You fucket it up all Miranda and banda ... old snail squeak was best.  // Good Bye

2018-03-23 1:59 GMT+01:00 tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>:

Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...

> On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The Truth.
>
> a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in config files?
> b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
> c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight? And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking like the threaded timer?
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
>
>


tim
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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

David T. Lewis
 
The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.

As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.

Dave

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:13:01AM +0200, Jan Barger wrote:

>  
> You fucket it up all Miranda and banda ... old snail squeak was best.  //
> Good Bye
>
> 2018-03-23 1:59 GMT+01:00 tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>:
>
> >
> > Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...
> >
> > > On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating
> > to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that
> > they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The
> > Truth.
> > >
> > > a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in
> > config files?
> > > b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is
> > no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild
> > Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some
> > better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on
> > squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
> > > c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which
> > appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building
> > thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread
> > version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight?
> > And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz
> > but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking
> > like the threaded timer?
> > >
> > > tim
> > > --
> > > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > > BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > tim
> > --
> > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > 29A, the hexadecimal of the Beast.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ing. Jan Barger
>
> www.barnet.sk
> www.napri.sk

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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

timrowledge
 


> On 27-03-2018, at 3:13 AM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.
>
> As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.

Perhaps more worrying than rudeness is the "er, what?" aspect. I have no idea to what the poster refers. Weird.


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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

Sean P. DeNigris
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timrowledge wrote
> I have no idea to what the poster refers.

True, but it did have a mysterious haiku-like allure ha ha



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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

Eliot Miranda-2
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:13 AM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:

The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.

As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.

Let's not be too precious.  I'm happy to debate him on this and it's important.  
 

Dave

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:13:01AM +0200, Jan Barger wrote:
>
> You fucket it up all Miranda and banda ... old snail squeak was best.  //
> Good Bye
>
> 2018-03-23 1:59 GMT+01:00 tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>:
>
> >
> > Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...
> >
> > > On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating
> > to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that
> > they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The
> > Truth.
> > >
> > > a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in
> > config files?
> > > b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is
> > no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild
> > Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some
> > better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on
> > squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
> > > c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which
> > appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building
> > thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread
> > version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight?
> > And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz
> > but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking
> > like the threaded timer?
> > >
> > > tim
> > > --
> > > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > > BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > tim
> > --
> > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > 29A, the hexadecimal of the Beast.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ing. Jan Barger
>
> www.barnet.sk
> www.napri.sk




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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

Eliot Miranda-2
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Hi Jan,

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Jan Barger <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
You fucket it up all Miranda and banda ... old snail squeak was best.  // Good Bye

I wonder what specifically is "fucked up".  I think everybody contributing here wants things not to be "fucked up", and pitching in and helping is more constructive than flinging mud, and more likely to produce results.  Jan, can you list some specific issues you'd like to see addressed (technical or social)?  
 

2018-03-23 1:59 GMT+01:00 tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>:

Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...

> On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The Truth.
>
> a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in config files?
> b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
> c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight? And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking like the threaded timer?
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
>
>


tim
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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

David T. Lewis
 
Eliot,

See my response to this post earlier this morning. I put a moderator hold
on Jan's account, so he will not be able to immediately reply. I will
check the backlog of his held messages when I get home in a couple of
hours and release them if appropriate.

I would be happy to see this thread return to its intended subject, see
Tim's original questions below.

Dave


>  Hi Jan,
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Jan Barger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> You fucket it up all Miranda and banda ... old snail squeak was best.
>> //
>> Good Bye
>>
>
> I wonder what specifically is "fucked up".  I think everybody contributing
> here wants things not to be "fucked up", and pitching in and helping is
> more constructive than flinging mud, and more likely to produce results.
> Jan, can you list some specific issues you'd like to see addressed
> (technical or social)?
>
>
>>
>> 2018-03-23 1:59 GMT+01:00 tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>>
>>> Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...
>>>
>>> > On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion
>>> relating
>>> to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us
>>> that
>>> they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The
>>> Truth.
>>> >
>>> > a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in
>>> config files?
>>> > b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there
>>> is no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the
>>> autobuild Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we
>>> can
>>> get some better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup
>>> on
>>> squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
>>> > c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which
>>> appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems
>>> building
>>> thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread
>>> version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple
>>> oversight?
>>> And why is the package naming of the form
>>> squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz
>>> but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus
>>> looking
>>> like the threaded timer?
>>> >
>>> > tim
>>> > --
>>> > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>>> > BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> tim
>>> --
>>> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>>> 29A, the hexadecimal of the Beast.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ing. Jan Barger
>>
>> www.barnet.sk
>> www.napri.sk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> _,,,^..^,,,_
> best, Eliot
>


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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

David T. Lewis
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There are now nine more messages from this poster awaiting moderator approval.
None of them contains content appropriate for the list. I will leave the
moderator block in place.

Dave

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 06:13:40AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:

>  
> The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.
>
> As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:13:01AM +0200, Jan Barger wrote:
> >  
> > You fucket it up all Miranda and banda ... old snail squeak was best.  //
> > Good Bye
> >
> > 2018-03-23 1:59 GMT+01:00 tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > >
> > > Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...
> > >
> > > > On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating
> > > to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that
> > > they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The
> > > Truth.
> > > >
> > > > a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in
> > > config files?
> > > > b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is
> > > no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild
> > > Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some
> > > better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on
> > > squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
> > > > c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which
> > > appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building
> > > thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread
> > > version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight?
> > > And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz
> > > but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking
> > > like the threaded timer?
> > > >
> > > > tim
> > > > --
> > > > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > > > BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > tim
> > > --
> > > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > > 29A, the hexadecimal of the Beast.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ing. Jan Barger
> >
> > www.barnet.sk
> > www.napri.sk
>
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Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

David T. Lewis
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Changing the subject line in case follow up discussion is needed.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:02:25PM -0700, Eliot Miranda wrote:

>  
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:13 AM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.
> >
> > As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.
> >
>
> Let's not be too precious.  I'm happy to debate him on this and it's important.
>

I put a "moderate" flag on a list poster who had sent what I perceived
to be a personal attack with abusive language and no meaningful factual
content. I did this not only because the post was inappropriate, but also
because abusive trolling can be harmful and distracting, and I thought
it better to hit the pause pause button sooner rather than later.

The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and constructive
people who like to do good work, and who like to help others do the same.
I have quietly served as the list admin, and I have never had to deal with
any problem more serious than an accidentally oversized PNG attachment.
We should all be proud of that.

If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
I will be happy to forward them to private email. But unless the members
of this list say otherwise, I will leave them blocked.

Dave

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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

Sean P. DeNigris
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David T. Lewis wrote
> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and
> constructive
> people… We should all be proud of that.

Hear! Hear!


David T. Lewis wrote
> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
> I will be happy to forward them to private email.

I'm interested in seeing them.



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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

barniisk
 
Sorry for incident, put Pharo which i downloaded crashed, and the same with my old image and new vm and new 64 bit. 
Eliot is maybe just too good guy, but consequences for future and vm which are so complicated and unstable just pointing to his unmature and nonprofesional work. 

Maybe Cincom is not financing him to do this nasty job to pharo and vm, but it seems so.

Thanks, and sorry once more for this incident.


2018-03-28 3:36 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>:

David T. Lewis wrote
> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and
> constructive
> people… We should all be proud of that.

Hear! Hear!


David T. Lewis wrote
> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
> I will be happy to forward them to private email.

I'm interested in seeing them.



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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

barniisk
 

I need 24/7/365 stable vm and pharo for my biznis in financial services - and it seems i need to use older versions

2018-03-28 5:41 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <[hidden email]>:
Sorry for incident, put Pharo which i downloaded crashed, and the same with my old image and new vm and new 64 bit. 
Eliot is maybe just too good guy, but consequences for future and vm which are so complicated and unstable just pointing to his unmature and nonprofesional work. 

Maybe Cincom is not financing him to do this nasty job to pharo and vm, but it seems so.

Thanks, and sorry once more for this incident.


2018-03-28 3:36 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>:

David T. Lewis wrote
> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and
> constructive
> people… We should all be proud of that.

Hear! Hear!


David T. Lewis wrote
> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
> I will be happy to forward them to private email.

I'm interested in seeing them.



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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

barniisk
 

Cincom Smalltalk™ Helps JP Morgan Consistently Beat Their Competition

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/successes/financial-services/jpmorgan/ )

2018-03-28 5:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <[hidden email]>:

I need 24/7/365 stable vm and pharo for my biznis in financial services - and it seems i need to use older versions

2018-03-28 5:41 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <[hidden email]>:
Sorry for incident, put Pharo which i downloaded crashed, and the same with my old image and new vm and new 64 bit. 
Eliot is maybe just too good guy, but consequences for future and vm which are so complicated and unstable just pointing to his unmature and nonprofesional work. 

Maybe Cincom is not financing him to do this nasty job to pharo and vm, but it seems so.

Thanks, and sorry once more for this incident.


2018-03-28 3:36 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>:

David T. Lewis wrote
> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and
> constructive
> people… We should all be proud of that.

Hear! Hear!


David T. Lewis wrote
> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
> I will be happy to forward them to private email.

I'm interested in seeing them.



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Re: VM build questions from last board meeting

Ben Coman
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I wonder if its a trolling bot/virus?
If you look half way down the following list Jan's next last post was circa 2007.

Thats a long time to hold a grudge to make such an outburst.

cheers -ben

On 28 March 2018 at 06:44, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:

There are now nine more messages from this poster awaiting moderator approval.
None of them contains content appropriate for the list. I will leave the
moderator block in place.

Dave

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 06:13:40AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
>
> The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.
>
> As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:13:01AM +0200, Jan Barger wrote:
> >
> > You fucket it up all Miranda and banda ... old snail squeak was best.  //
> > Good Bye
> >
> > 2018-03-23 1:59 GMT+01:00 tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > >
> > > Ping. We could do with some info on these questions...
> > >
> > > > On 08-03-2018, at 3:14 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At the last SOB meeting we had a couple of minutes discussion relating
> > > to some recent VM issues; this is just to wave the flag and remind us that
> > > they are out there and could do with answering by anyone that Knows The
> > > Truth.
> > > >
> > > > a) Squeak3D plugin is only built on ARM config. Simple oversight in
> > > config files?
> > > > b) B3DAcceleratorPlugin on Pi; it needs assorted gl.h files and there is
> > > no easy to spot doc of what packages have been installed on the autobuild
> > > Pi that provide them. In general that lead us to wonder if we can get some
> > > better documentation about the whole build/test/bintray setup on
> > > squeak.org so that we spread the knowledge a bit better.
> > > > c) Also Pi related - the Pi vms appear to be itimer versions, which
> > > appear to give somewhat variable performance. I have no problems building
> > > thread timer vms, which seem much more consistent. Why is the thread
> > > version a problem in the autobuilder world? Or is it a simple oversight?
> > > And why is the package naming of the form  squeak.cog.spur_linux32ARMv6_itimer_201803052012.tar.gz
> > > but the VM directory still named as sqcogspurlinuxhtRPi and thus looking
> > > like the threaded timer?
> > > >
> > > > tim
> > > > --
> > > > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > > > BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > tim
> > > --
> > > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > > 29A, the hexadecimal of the Beast.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ing. Jan Barger
> >
> > www.barnet.sk
> > www.napri.sk
>

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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

David T. Lewis
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 07:29:13PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:

>  
> Changing the subject line in case follow up discussion is needed.
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:02:25PM -0700, Eliot Miranda wrote:
> >  
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:13 AM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.
> > >
> > > As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.
> > >
> >
> > Let's not be too precious.  I'm happy to debate him on this and it's important.
> >
>
> I put a "moderate" flag on a list poster who had sent what I perceived
> to be a personal attack with abusive language and no meaningful factual
> content. I did this not only because the post was inappropriate, but also
> because abusive trolling can be harmful and distracting, and I thought
> it better to hit the pause pause button sooner rather than later.
>
> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and constructive
> people who like to do good work, and who like to help others do the same.
> I have quietly served as the list admin, and I have never had to deal with
> any problem more serious than an accidentally oversized PNG attachment.
> We should all be proud of that.
>
> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
> I will be happy to forward them to private email. But unless the members
> of this list say otherwise, I will leave them blocked.

I have removed the "moderate" flag, and all is back to normal.

Dave

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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

Ben Coman
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On 28 March 2018 at 11:41, Jan Barger <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
Sorry for incident, put Pharo which i downloaded crashed, and the same with my old image and new vm and new 64 bit. 

Which links did you download?  Some more information might allow some more constructive response. 

 
Eliot is maybe just too good guy, but consequences for future and vm which are so complicated and unstable just pointing to his unmature and nonprofesional work. 

Eliot is not directly responsible for Pharo.  There are a much broader range of candidates to aim your bow at.

 
 Maybe Cincom is not financing him to do this nasty job to pharo and vm, but it seems so.

I really can't see how Eliot's intent can be questioned.
That sort of personal attack detracts from your credibility.

 
Thanks, and sorry once more for this incident.

accepted, and monitoring.

regards -ben

 
 
2018-03-28 3:36 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>:

David T. Lewis wrote
> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and
> constructive
> people… We should all be proud of that.

Hear! Hear!


David T. Lewis wrote
> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
> I will be happy to forward them to private email.

I'm interested in seeing them.
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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

timrowledge
 

> On 28 March 2018 at 11:41, Jan Barger <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Eliot is maybe just too good guy, but consequences for future and vm which are so complicated and unstable just pointing to his unmature and nonprofesional work.

There are plenty of immature and nonprofessional people in the world of software but seriously, claiming *eliot* is one of them is just plain stupid.

If you have actual information that might point to problems we can fix, provide it. Otherwise you might consider just how bad such foul-mouthged rants make you look to potential customers.

tim
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Re: Blocking inappropriate posts to vm-dev (was: VM build questions from last board meeting)

Eliot Miranda-2
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Hi Jan,

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM, Jan Barger <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
Sorry for incident, put Pharo which i downloaded crashed, and the same with my old image and new vm and new 64 bit. 
Eliot is maybe just too good guy, but consequences for future and vm which are so complicated and unstable just pointing to his unmature and nonprofesional work. 

Specifically what is unprofessional and immature about my work?  The thread you originally responded to was one where I pointed out that the Pharo VM was out-of-date.  I referred to a bug that was mine (have you ever released software containing bugs?), and that I had fixed, as promptly as I could once I had an error report.  How is that being unprofessional?
 

Maybe Cincom is not financing him to do this nasty job to pharo and vm, but it seems so.

How do you conclude this from my actions?  And what specifically about what I've done for the Pharo VM is a "nasty job"?  Do you know that I am not responsible for the Pharo VM?  That I don't build it, and that I help maintain it pro bono.  Do you know that Spur is now faster than VisualWorks and once Scorch/Sista is stable and in production that the VM will be significantly faster than VisualWorks?  How is that in Cincom's benefit?
 
Thanks, and sorry once more for this incident.

Thanks for what, and specifically which incident to you refer to?



2018-03-28 3:36 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>:

David T. Lewis wrote
> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and
> constructive
> people… We should all be proud of that.

Hear! Hear!


David T. Lewis wrote
> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,
> I will be happy to forward them to private email.

I'm interested in seeing them.



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