VW 7.8 and SSL
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Greetings,
I just downloaded the VW 7.8.1 non commercial and I see that the SSL package has been stubbed out. There is some type of note that looks like '1984'ish doublespeak about US gov restrictions. Is there a way to get around this situation? Thanks, Frank _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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if you have the previous release - 7.7.1 or 7.8 - you can just grab the entire "Security" directory from there and use that.
On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:59 AM, squeakman wrote: > Greetings, > > I just downloaded the VW 7.8.1 non commercial and I see that the SSL > package has been stubbed out. There is some type of note that looks > like '1984'ish doublespeak about US gov restrictions. > > Is there a way to get around this situation? > > Thanks, > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc James Robertson http://www.jarober.com [hidden email] _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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On 01/08/2012 12:07 PM, James Robertson wrote:
> if you have the previous release - 7.7.1 or 7.8 - you can just grab the entire "Security" directory from there and use that. > > Thanks, that worked for me. But what is the plan if one did not have a previous release? Also, I suspect that Java continues to provide SSL support, if true then how is it that the same restrictions on US export does not apply to the Java world? Just curious. Regards, Frank _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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http://www.blackducksoftware.com/media/_wp/SEEC-Guide.pdf
is a link to A PDF describing it. Basically Sun asked mother May I to the government and they said sure you can and when Cincom did the same thing they said absolutely not. They imposed more draconian restriction on Cincom than they did Sun. This is perfectly legal because the Government can and does discriminate.
Kind Regards Sean Glazier Light yourself on Fire with enthusiasm and people will come for miles to watch you burn! On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:05 PM, squeakman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: VW 7.8 and SSL
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In my mind, it would have been better from the start to just add a dependency on OpenSSL libraries (which exist for all major platforms) instead of rolling native Smalltalk implementations avoiding this issue altogether. There may be some downside to this that I hadn't considered? -Boris
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Hi,
That would not have mattered. Also openSSL at the time was not everywhere and also it has bugs. I know I found quite a few. but even if your code simply calls and API it becomes yours in the mind of the government and you must ask.
Kind Regards Sean Glazier Light yourself on Fire with enthusiasm and people will come for miles to watch you burn! On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs <[hidden email]> wrote:
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In reply to this post by squeakman
You'll have to ask Cincom. I don't understand the legal issues involved well enough to even speculate.
On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:05 AM, squeakman wrote: > On 01/08/2012 12:07 PM, James Robertson wrote: >> if you have the previous release - 7.7.1 or 7.8 - you can just grab the entire "Security" directory from there and use that. >> >> > > Thanks, that worked for me. But what is the plan if one did not have a > previous release? > > Also, I suspect that Java continues to provide SSL support, if true then > how is it that the same restrictions on US export does not apply to the > Java world? Just curious. > > Regards, > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc James Robertson http://www.jarober.com [hidden email] _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: VW 7.8 and SSL
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I've given up on trying to understand the reasoning; the bottom line: it
is what it is and it may or may not get any better in the future. -Boris -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James Robertson Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:43 AM To: VWNC NC Subject: Re: [vwnc] VW 7.8 and SSL You'll have to ask Cincom. I don't understand the legal issues involved well enough to even speculate. On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:05 AM, squeakman wrote: > On 01/08/2012 12:07 PM, James Robertson wrote: >> if you have the previous release - 7.7.1 or 7.8 - you can just grab the entire "Security" directory from there and use that. >> >> > > Thanks, that worked for me. But what is the plan if one did not have > a previous release? > > Also, I suspect that Java continues to provide SSL support, if true > then how is it that the same restrictions on US export does not apply > to the Java world? Just curious. > > Regards, > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc James Robertson http://www.jarober.com [hidden email] _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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The government have changed the policy 9 times ranging from having it only for banking and military apps to "sure release what you want" to "opps terrorist might use encryption so you can't export anything unless we say so" and it keeps changing almost yearly.
Some folks who mistakenly thought that using open source meant you did not need to ask have gotten fined or jailed and these days even worse can happen to you. It never was about logic, it was and still is about control and having to ask Government for permission for everything, including living these days.
It will only get worse and is not limited to encryption software.
Kind Regards Sean Glazier Light yourself on Fire with enthusiasm and people will come for miles to watch you burn!
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Boris Popov, DeepCove Labs <[hidden email]> wrote: I've given up on trying to understand the reasoning; the bottom line: it _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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