[VW] Fedora installation

Hi,

I just installed Fedora 6 so I was eager to try to run the multiplatform VWNC installer from the CD.
Hum.. installUnix simply does.........nothing.
I then downloaded the Online installer.  run that and.........Nothing ...
So then I thought that bottomfeeder ( a real end user product)  might do this better especially as NSIS exist for Linux ?
... bottom feeder proposes some file archive to put: ......I don't know where ?

How many times again did they tell us that linux was ready for the mainstream ?

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Subject: [VW] Fedora installation

Hi,

I just installed Fedora 6 so I was eager to try to run the multiplatform VWNC installer from the CD.
Hum.. installUnix simply does.........nothing.
I then downloaded the Online installer.  run that and.........Nothing ...
So then I thought that bottomfeeder ( a real end user product)  might do this better especially as NSIS exist for Linux ?
... bottom feeder proposes some file archive to put: ......I don't know where ?

How many times again did they tell us that linux was ready for the mainstream ?

Which CD are you trying?

Try from a shell:
        cd <root of the CD>
        vw*/bin/linux86/visual vw*/image/install.im

where you edit the * as necessary, and tell me what you see.

Thanks,

Dave

Maarten Mostert wrote:

Dave,

I tried to install from either CST07NC or CST06NC but also tried the net-installer.  I tried Unbuntu last year with similar results.

[Maarten@Wanadoo CST07NC]$ su
Password:
[root@Wanadoo CST07NC]#
[root@Wanadoo CST07NC]# vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual vw7.5nc/image/install.im
bash: vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual: Permission denied

In this case I did nothing but install Fedora Core 6 on a clean disk in English with all default options.
from here:

ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/6/i386/iso/

Notice that I ended up downloading individual files which at least gave me a working system.

The Add Remove Software options from Fedora's main menu proposes to install Ruby,  Eclipse or whatever developpment environment except.....Smalltalk...Why ?

Rgrds,

@+Maarten,


Dave Stevenson a écrit :

Which CD are you trying?

Try from a shell:
    cd <root of the CD>
    vw*/bin/linux86/visual vw*/image/install.im

where you edit the * as necessary, and tell me what you see.

Thanks,

Dave

Maarten Mostert wrote:

Hi,

I just installed Fedora 6 so I was eager to try to run the multiplatform VWNC installer from the CD.
Hum.. installUnix simply does.........nothing.
I then downloaded the Online installer.  run that and.........Nothing ...
So then I thought that bottomfeeder ( a real end user product)  might do this better especially as NSIS exist for Linux ?
... bottom feeder proposes some file archive to put: ......I don't know where ?

How many times again did they tell us that linux was ready for the mainstream ?

Maarten Mostert escreveu: The installer for VW Smalltalk is a specific application (in fact
written in VW Smalltalk itself) that doesn't come in RPM format so
Fedora installer is not aware that (VW) Smalltalk exists.

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Cesar Rabak a écrit : Being in the add remove menu's of all major Linux releases is an easy
way to get yourself promoted so why not be there ? At the least the
net-installer could.
Being different is sort of oké, but not being click and run is not
especially as this must be really minor to solve.

@+Maarten,

> [root@Wanadoo CST07NC]# vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual
> vw7.5nc/image/install.im
> bash: vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual: Permission denied
This probably means that the CD or ISO is mounted without execute
permissions, try to add '-o exec' to your mount command.


> The Add Remove Software options from Fedora's main menu proposes to
> install Ruby,  Eclipse or whatever developpment environment
> except.....Smalltalk...Why ?
For the same reasons it doesn't on MsWindows, MacOs, Sun, Irix, AIX,
HP-UX, Solaris etc, etc: a single installer with a single distribution
medium is less costly to maintain.


R
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From: Maarten Mostert [mailto:[hidden email]]
VW used to be on the Applications CD for RedHat, as indeed did our own VW-based MetaEdit+. At that point (1999) RedHat were really happy to have applications available to show their potential users that software existed for Linux. A few years on things changed, and RedHat wanted tens of thousands of dollars to put our software on their disk and downloads. I don't know what price they offered Cincom, but IIRC the cost was proportional to the size of the download (ours was 20MB, VW is many times that).

Linux is a bit of a nightmare for commercial software vendors: so many distros, so many versions, so little money. We're still making the effort (MetaEdit+ 4.5 for Linux and MacOSX were released this summer), as are Cincom, but I understand their quandary with respect to throwing more marketing or technical effort at it. If a few more people per thousand free users actually bought the software, the vendors would be able to offer a better experience to the thousands too.

Cheers,
Steve
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