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Juan Pablo Sandoval

Versionner a GUI for metacello

Hi all,

I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again. Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a new metacello version is a one click operation.

You can find more about Versionner here: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.

Regards,

Juan Pablo

Carla F. Griggio

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Yay, thank you!!

El 03/05/2012, a las 19:02, Juan Pablo Sandoval Alcocer <[hidden email]> escribió:

Hi all,

I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again. Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a new metacello version is a one click operation.

You can find more about Versionner here: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.

Regards,
Juan Pablo

Sven Van Caekenberghe

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

In reply to this post by Juan Pablo Sandoval

Juan Pablo,

On 04 May 2012, at 00:02, Juan Pablo Sandoval Alcocer wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again. Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a new metacello version is a one click operation.
>
> You can find more about Versionner here: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Pablo

This look incredible. It is one of those things that, when you see it, you don't understand why it wasn't there before. This could be a real boost for Metacello. It will certainly help me.

What dependencies does it have ?

What do the Metacello expert think ?

Thanks,

Sven

Dale Henrichs

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Sven,

I'm all in favor of better Metacello tools.

If I'm not mistaken Versionner is an offshoot of the MetacelloBrowser project which slowed down when I ran into the issue of trying to create a cross-dialect toolset ... I wandered down the tODE path...

Alexandre and then Juan kept going and created what looks to be a very cool tool.

Even in its rough form, I found the MetacelloBrowser (and it's variant in tODE) very useful so I encourage all or you to take it for a spin and give Juan plenty of encouragement to keep up the good work!

Dale

----- Original Message -----
| From: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <[hidden email]>
| To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <[hidden email]>
| Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:02:47 AM
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Versionner a GUI for metacello
|
| Juan Pablo,
|
| On 04 May 2012, at 00:02, Juan Pablo Sandoval Alcocer wrote:
|
| > Hi all,
| >
| > I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for
| > metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic
| > UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update
| > an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an
| > application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal
| > of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again.
| > Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a
| > new metacello version is a one click operation.
| >
| > You can find more about Versionner here:
| > http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the
| > install instructions and screenshots.
| >
| > Regards,
| > Juan Pablo
|
| This look incredible. It is one of those things that, when you see
| it, you don't understand why it wasn't there before. This could be a
| real boost for Metacello. It will certainly help me.
|
| What dependencies does it have ?
|
| What do the Metacello expert think ?
|
| Thanks,
|
| Sven
|

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

+1

now it would be good to have versioner not based on glamour.
May be it is not anymore.
We started to rewrite all the (monticello) tools using spec with benjamin and
benjamin will visit santiago soon.
So it would be good to see if a spec based version of versioner could get developed.

Stef

On May 4, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote:

> Sven,
>
> I'm all in favor of better Metacello tools.
>
> If I'm not mistaken Versionner is an offshoot of the MetacelloBrowser project which slowed down when I ran into the issue of trying to create a cross-dialect toolset ... I wandered down the tODE path...
>
> Alexandre and then Juan kept going and created what looks to be a very cool tool.
>
> Even in its rough form, I found the MetacelloBrowser (and it's variant in tODE) very useful so I encourage all or you to take it for a spin and give Juan plenty of encouragement to keep up the good work!
>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <[hidden email]>
> | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <[hidden email]>
> | Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:02:47 AM
> | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Versionner a GUI for metacello
> |
> | Juan Pablo,
> |
> | On 04 May 2012, at 00:02, Juan Pablo Sandoval Alcocer wrote:
> |
> | > Hi all,
> | >
> | > I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for
> | > metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic
> | > UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update
> | > an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an
> | > application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal
> | > of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again.
> | > Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a
> | > new metacello version is a one click operation.
> | >
> | > You can find more about Versionner here:
> | > http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the
> | > install instructions and screenshots.
> | >
> | > Regards,
> | > Juan Pablo
> |
> | This look incredible. It is one of those things that, when you see
> | it, you don't understand why it wasn't there before. This could be a
> | real boost for Metacello. It will certainly help me.
> |
> | What dependencies does it have ?
> |
> | What do the Metacello expert think ?
> |
> | Thanks,
> |
> | Sven
> |
>

Juan Pablo Sandoval

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

In reply to this post by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Sven,

About the dependences, We used Glamour for build the UI.

Sorry for the late reply.

Juan Pablo

2012/5/4 Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]>

Juan Pablo,

On 04 May 2012, at 00:02, Juan Pablo Sandoval Alcocer wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again. Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a new metacello version is a one click operation.
>
> You can find more about Versionner here: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Pablo

This look incredible. It is one of those things that, when you see it, you don't understand why it wasn't there before. This could be a real boost for Metacello. It will certainly help me.

What dependencies does it have ?

What do the Metacello expert think ?

Thanks,

Sven

--
Juampi

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Juan

Benjamin will come around beginning of June to santiago so it would be good that you sit and pair program with Benjamin.

Stef

> Hi Sven,
>
> About the dependences, We used Glamour for build the UI.
> Sorry for the late reply.
>
> Juan Pablo
>
> 2012/5/4 Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]>
> Juan Pablo,
>
> On 04 May 2012, at 00:02, Juan Pablo Sandoval Alcocer wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again. Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a new metacello version is a one click operation.
> >
> > You can find more about Versionner here: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Juan Pablo
>
> This look incredible. It is one of those things that, when you see it, you don't understand why it wasn't there before. This could be a real boost for Metacello. It will certainly help me.
>
> What dependencies does it have ?
>
> What do the Metacello expert think ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sven
>
>
>
> --
> Juampi

Juan Pablo Sandoval

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

sounds good, I'll be waiting :)

Also I will talk with Alexandre about it.

Juan Pablo

2012/5/6 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>

Juan

Benjamin will come around beginning of June to santiago so it would be good that you sit and pair program with Benjamin.

Stef

> Hi Sven,
>
> About the dependences, We used Glamour for build the UI.
> Sorry for the late reply.
>
> Juan Pablo
>
> 2012/5/4 Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]>
> Juan Pablo,
>
> On 04 May 2012, at 00:02, Juan Pablo Sandoval Alcocer wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I would like present you ``Versionner''. Versionner is a GUI for metacello. It supports a simple working style, providing a basic UI set to handle versions: (i)create a configuration (ii) update an application (iii) commit and save all the packages of an application (iv) load an application from a repository. The goal of Versionner, is to not write a metacello version by hand again. Saving and committing all your monticello package, and creating a new metacello version is a one click operation.
> >
> > You can find more about Versionner here: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Juan Pablo
>
> This look incredible. It is one of those things that, when you see it, you don't understand why it wasn't there before. This could be a real boost for Metacello. It will certainly help me.
>
> What dependencies does it have ?
>
> What do the Metacello expert think ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sven
>
>
>
> --
> Juampi

--
Juampi

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Administrator

In reply to this post by Juan Pablo Sandoval

Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote

You can find more about Versionner here: http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/
versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.

Cool tool!

About the load instructions...
* you probably don't need all of Glamour if you're just using the browser stuff (I never load it all)
* Metacello is great at managing package dependencies, so your config should load Glamour - no separate step needed.

I'm attaching a new version of the config that loads Glamour and loads everything ~4.5X faster (only Core and Morphic from Glamour).

ConfigurationOfVersionner.st

Cheers,
Sean

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

cool
ben just told me that juan is working on a spec version so we will be able to include it in the system.

Stef

On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

>
> Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote
>>
>> You can find more about Versionner here:
>> http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/
>> versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.
>>
>
> Cool tool!
>
> About the load instructions...
> * you probably don't need all of Glamour if you're just using the browser
> stuff (I never load it all)
> * Metacello is great at managing package dependencies, so your config should
> load Glamour - no separate step needed.
>
> I'm attaching a new version of the config that loads Glamour and loads
> everything ~4.5X faster (only Core and Morphic from Glamour).
>
> http://forum.world.st/file/n4633954/ConfigurationOfVersionner.st
> ConfigurationOfVersionner.st
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Versionner-a-GUI-for-metacello-tp4607220p4633954.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Juan Pablo Sandoval

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Hi Sean,

Thank you for the new version of the config.

As Stef wrote, I am working in a Spec version of Versionner :). I will send a notification when ready.

Cheers,

Juan Pablo

2012/6/8 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>

cool
ben just told me that juan is working on a spec version so we will be able to include it in the system.

Stef

On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

>
> Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote
>>
>> You can find more about Versionner here:
>> http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/
>> versionner. Including the install instructions and screenshots.
>>
>
> Cool tool!
>
> About the load instructions...
> * you probably don't need all of Glamour if you're just using the browser
> stuff (I never load it all)
> * Metacello is great at managing package dependencies, so your config should
> load Glamour - no separate step needed.
>
> I'm attaching a new version of the config that loads Glamour and loads
> everything ~4.5X faster (only Core and Morphic from Glamour).
>
> http://forum.world.st/file/n4633954/ConfigurationOfVersionner.st
> ConfigurationOfVersionner.st
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Versionner-a-GUI-for-metacello-tp4607220p4633954.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

--
Juampi

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Administrator

Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote

As Stef wrote, I am working in a Spec version of Versionner :)

I'm wondering whether using spec this early will limit the audience for your tool... Metacello is cross-platform. Also, Pharo 1.4 doesn't have spec, does it? Won't spec mean that Versionner can only be used in Pharo 2.0, which is months away?

Cheers,
Sean

Cheers,
Sean

Benjamin Van Ryseghem (Pharo)

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Spec is working in Pharo1.4 without any problem (it's actually used by nautilus :) )

In addition, I would say that Spec has been designed in a way it can be easily plugged on top of any graphical library :)

Ben

On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

>
> Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote
>>
>> As Stef wrote, I am working in a Spec version of Versionner :)
>
> I'm wondering whether using spec this early will limit the audience for your
> tool... Metacello is cross-platform. Also, Pharo 1.4 doesn't have spec, does
> it? Won't spec mean that Versionner can only be used in Pharo 2.0, which is
> months away?
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Versionner-a-GUI-for-metacello-tp4607220p4634167.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Administrator

Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote

Spec is working in Pharo1.4 without any problem (it's actually used by nautilus :) )

In addition, I would say that Spec has been designed in a way it can be easily plugged on top of any graphical library :)

Excellent - full retraction ;-)

Cheers,
Sean

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

In reply to this post by Sean P. DeNigris

On Jun 10, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

>
> Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote
>>
>> As Stef wrote, I am working in a Spec version of Versionner :)
>
> I'm wondering whether using spec this early will limit the audience for your
> tool... Metacello is cross-platform. Also, Pharo 1.4 doesn't have spec, does
> it? Won't spec mean that Versionner can only be used in Pharo 2.0, which is
> months away?

everybody is free to develop the tools he wants on his platform.
For us it will be spec.

>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Versionner-a-GUI-for-metacello-tp4607220p4634167.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Dale Henrichs

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Stef, Sean,

I think this is the best answer ... the cross-platform GUI options are too limited and the Metacello tool needs to be integrated into the dev environment to work well ...

FWIW, the MetacelloToolBox should be used as much as possible so that the underlying operations performed by the tools are as consistent as possible ... I am very interested in working with the tool builders to make sure of that consistency ...

Dale

----- Original Message -----
| From: "Stéphane Ducasse" <[hidden email]>
| To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <[hidden email]>
| Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:49:41 AM
| Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Versionner a GUI for metacello
|
|
| On Jun 10, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
|
| >
| > Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote
| >>
| >> As Stef wrote, I am working in a Spec version of Versionner :)
| >
| > I'm wondering whether using spec this early will limit the audience
| > for your
| > tool... Metacello is cross-platform. Also, Pharo 1.4 doesn't have
| > spec, does
| > it? Won't spec mean that Versionner can only be used in Pharo 2.0,
| > which is
| > months away?
|
| everybody is free to develop the tools he wants on his platform.
| For us it will be spec.
|
| >
| > Cheers,
| > Sean
| >
| > --
| > View this message in context:
| > http://forum.world.st/Versionner-a-GUI-for-metacello-tp4607220p4634167.html
| > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at
| > Nabble.com.
| >
|
|
|

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Administrator

In reply to this post by Juan Pablo Sandoval

Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote

Thank you for the new version of the config.

As Stef wrote, I am working in a Spec version of Versionner :). I will send
a notification when ready.

Hey Juan! I've been playing with the old Glamour version and it's fun to have a tool for Metacello :)

A few quick things about the config:
* while you're working on the spec version, please integrate my config so we can play with it without loading the full Glamour :) It only changes the 1.0 baseline, so it should not effect your current work (and remove Glamour from the load instructions since it's loaded automatically now)
* I noticed you are creating version 1.20, 1.21, etc., all with little fixes and "blessing: #'development'". After many conversations with Dale, I now understand that the point of marking a version #'development' is so you can change it without making new version numbers.
* the default for Metacello is to load all packages, so the last line of your baselines (spec group: 'default' with: #(...).) is unnecessary and creates the burden of having to be manually updated if your project structure changes

Cheers,
Sean

Juan Pablo Sandoval

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Hi Sean,

Thank you for your comments and for use Versionner.

A few quick things about the config:
* while you're working on the spec version, please integrate my config so we
can play with it without loading the full Glamour :) It only changes the 1.0
baseline, so it should not effect your current work (and remove Glamour from
the load instructions since it's loaded automatically now)

Yes, I used your configuration that you sent me. Now you can use the following instructions to load Versionner without loading the full Glamour.

-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-

Gofer new

url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Versionner';

package: 'ConfigurationOfVersionner';

load.

(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfVersionner) perform: #loadWithGlamour

-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-

* I noticed you are creating version 1.20, 1.21, etc., all with little fixes
and "blessing: #'development'". After many conversations with Dale, I now
understand that the point of marking a version #'development' is so you can
change it without making new version numbers.

Yes, I am fixing some bugs in Versionner. I will take into account your recommendation

* the default for Metacello is to load all packages, so the last line of
your baselines (spec group: 'default' with: #(...).) is unnecessary and
creates the burden of having to be manually updated if your project
structure changes

I didn't know that, you're right . I removed it. Thank you :)

Juan Pablo

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Administrator

Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote

Now you can use the
following instructions to load Versionner without loading the full Glamour.

Cool! Thanks, your work is really important. Don't forget to update http://users.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner/install.html

Cheers,
Sean

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Versionner a GUI for metacello

Administrator

In reply to this post by Juan Pablo Sandoval

I made a few enhancements to ConfigurationOfVersionner:
* allowing it to load (development version) on 2.0
* fixing it for the new Metacello bootstrap, which no longer loads the Toolbox

ConfigurationOfVersionner-SeanDeNigris.63
* Update for new Metacello bootstrap (no longer loads by default
- Add 'Metacello Toolbox' project to baseline 1.2
- Add 'Metacello Toolbox' as a dependency of Versionner-Core-Model
* Fix for Pharo 2.0 - Use #'development' version of 'Glamour for Versionner'
* Tiny refactor of loadWithGlamour to send #stableVersion instead of "version: #stable"

ConfigurationOfVersionner-SeanDeNigris.63.mcz (16K) Download Attachment

Cheers,
Sean