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stepharo

We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

Thierry Goubier

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

Hi Stef,

Do you mean removing HistoryNavigation completely?

Thierry

Le 16/06/2015 18:00, stepharo a écrit :

> Hi guys
>
> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
> history navigation.
> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
> We are also cleaning the group management.
>
> Stef
>
>

Nicolai Hess

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

In reply to this post by stepharo

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

philippeback

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

I use it too.

Le 16 juin 2015 22:10, "Nicolai Hess" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:
Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

kilon.alios

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

me too, quite a lot

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:19 PM [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

I use it too.

Le 16 juin 2015 22:10, "Nicolai Hess" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:
Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

Damien Cassou-2

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

In reply to this post by stepharo

stepharo <[hidden email]> writes:

> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
> history navigation.
> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
> We are also cleaning the group management.

what about removing the Nautilus history UI (drop-down list) but let
Nautilus continue saving the information somewhere? That way, Spotter
can find it.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Franck Warlouzet

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

> From: [hidden email]

> To: [hidden email]

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:27:56 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...
>
>
> stepharo <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the
> > history navigation.
> > So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
> > We are also cleaning the group management.
>
> what about removing the Nautilus history UI (drop-down list) but let
> Nautilus continue saving the information somewhere? That way, Spotter
> can find it.

If you want to keep the classes you watched in a kind of history, you can also use the group Most Viewed Classes.

Franck

> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
>

stepharo

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

In reply to this post by Nicolai Hess

We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is for one of two methods deep
because after I do not find my babies.

Do you use it to spot the method?
How deep long are going?

Stef

Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

NorbertHartl

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return where I was .

Norbert

Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo <[hidden email]>:

We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is for one of two methods deep
because after I do not find my babies.

Do you use it to spot the method?
How deep long are going?

Stef

Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

stepharo

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :

I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return where I was .

How can we reproduce your problem?
Because I do not like to hear that :)

Norbert

Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo <[hidden email]>:

We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is for one of two methods deep
because after I do not find my babies.

Do you use it to spot the method?
How deep long are going?

Stef

Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

camille teruel

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

On 17 Jun 2015, at 16:04, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :

I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return where I was .

How can we reproduce your problem?
Because I do not like to hear that :)

It is an old problem with scrolling.

I use nautilus history for the same reason.

Horizontal scrolling events are converted to right/left keypress events.

So when you scroll up/down in the method pane and that you’re not vertical enough, the focus either jumps to the middle of the editor (dozen of right keypress events, not a big deal) or to another package (dozen of left keypress events, annoying).

Camille

Norbert

Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo <[hidden email]>:

We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is for one of two methods deep
because after I do not find my babies.

Do you use it to spot the method?
How deep long are going?

Stef

Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

NorbertHartl

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

In reply to this post by stepharo

Am 17.06.2015 um 16:04 schrieb stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :

I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return where I was .

How can we reproduce your problem?
Because I do not like to hear that :)

The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am about to touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The system browser happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can use the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history saves my day!

There is no way for me to reproduce. It just happens a lot of times.

Norbert

Norbert

Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo <[hidden email]>:

We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is for one of two methods deep
because after I do not find my babies.

Do you use it to spot the method?
How deep long are going?

Stef

Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :

2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:

Hi guys

we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.

I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?

We are also cleaning the group management.

Stef

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

> On 17 Jun 2015, at 16:58, Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> Am 17.06.2015 um 16:04 schrieb stepharo <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 17/6/15 11:34, Norbert Hartl a écrit :
>>> I use it. But only because of the weird mouse event behaviour. Whenever the amount of events make my system browser go havoc I use the history to return where I was .
>>
>> How can we reproduce your problem?
>> Because I do not like to hear that :)
>
> The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am about to touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The system browser happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can use the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history saves my day!
>
> There is no way for me to reproduce. It just happens a lot of times.

Yes, it is an old problem, as described.

I have it too sometimes. You learn not to do certain things.

It is the only reason I use history as well ;-)

> Norbert
>
>>
>>>
>>> Norbert
>>>
>>>> Am 17.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb stepharo <[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>> We can keep it if people really use it. I never use it and usually this is for one of two methods deep
>>>> because after I do not find my babies.
>>>>
>>>> Do you use it to spot the method?
>>>> How deep long are going?
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>>
>>>> Le 16/6/15 22:09, Nicolai Hess a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-06-16 18:00 GMT+02:00 stepharo <[hidden email]>:
>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>
>>>>> we really need to cleanup nautilus and we are thinking to remove the history navigation.
>>>>> So we hope that not that many people will cry but we should move on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use it often and I find it helpful. Will it be replaced with another history navigation?
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also cleaning the group management.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

Administrator

In reply to this post by camille teruel

camille teruel wrote

Horizontal scrolling events are converted to right/left keypress events.

Holy #@$! I could never figure out what was going on. Maybe I will finish implementing the "better hack for horizontal scrolling" in the VM and possibly eradicate this one until we have a proper solution with SDL... or maybe that is right around the corner?

Cheers,
Sean

Uko2

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

This is the case: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/5296/Fast-Scroll-Down-produces-weird-events

Actually, using history is a cool idea to recover after random jumping. I myself have a script that overrides hand morph methods to ignore ctrl+right_arrow, ctrl+left_arrow. But of course I’m in a big pain when something changes.

Uko

On 18 Jun 2015, at 04:57, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

camille teruel wrote
Horizontal scrolling events are converted to right/left keypress events.

Holy #@$! I could never figure out what was going on. Maybe I will finish
implementing the "better hack for horizontal scrolling" in the VM and
possibly eradicate this one until we have a proper solution with SDL... or
maybe that is right around the corner?

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Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

In reply to this post by NorbertHartl

On 17-06-15 16:58, Norbert Hartl wrote:

> The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am
> about to touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The
> system browser happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes
> select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can
> use the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history
> saves my day!

I stopped using a magic mouse for that...

Stephan

Damien Pollet

Re: We want to remove historyNavigation from Nautilus...

I have a mouse with a wheel and it happens to me as well… but it might be that it only happens when I scroll using the trackpad gesture.

On 18 June 2015 at 11:03, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 17-06-15 16:58, Norbert Hartl wrote:

The best way to reproduce it is to buy a magic mouse :) Sometimes I am
about to touch the mouse and an awful lot of events is created. The
system browser happily consumes all of them and I can watch all panes
select/deselect/scroll/etc. Usually 2-3 seconds later it stops and I can
use the history to go back to the last place I've been. So the history
saves my day!

I stopped using a magic mouse for that...

Stephan

Damien Pollet
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