Web designers and Aida
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Dear Aiders,
I'm following an interesting debate here: http://www.nabble.com/thoughts-on-Seaside-3.0-td18448440.html This post is really interesting to read, because author argues that we Smalltalkers have an ignorance of the design side of web development. Namely, web designers have a different way of working, which goes well with templating, less well with component based development as we are doing. I actually agree with him here, I also have that kind of experience with web developers. Also, CSS separation of content and design is more the theory than established practice for them. Last experience with http://www.nets.si clearly shows that. Aida actually had templating, but we switched off it. Now the templating is kind of supported by embedding the html code directly into methods. This can maybe be even better than traditional templating in HTML files because of version control, but on the other hand it is not handy for web designers. Any thoughts about that subject? What is your experience with web designers? Janko -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si _______________________________________________ Aida mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:42:57 +0200
Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote: > Any thoughts about that subject? What is your experience with web designers? Last time I needed a designer, I started with a "black and white" draft of the site showing the basic functionality. Then designer and client ping-ponged PowerPoint slides around (Put that thing there and make this color more like that one). After things had settled down, I moved some code blocks around to make the generated HTML a good fit without requiring major CSS magic. Totally independent on how the web page was created. It's just a matter of what the people are used to. s. _______________________________________________ Aida mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida |
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I Janko,
I will be in Tarvisio in August; do you think we can meet personally ? Ciao Lorenzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janko Mivšek" <[hidden email]> To: "Aida/Web general discussion list" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: [aida] Web designers and Aida > Dear Aiders, > > I'm following an interesting debate here: > http://www.nabble.com/thoughts-on-Seaside-3.0-td18448440.html > > This post is really interesting to read, because author argues that we > Smalltalkers have an ignorance of the design side of web development. > > Namely, web designers have a different way of working, which goes well > with templating, less well with component based development as we are > doing. I actually agree with him here, I also have that kind of > experience with web developers. Also, CSS separation of content and > design is more the theory than established practice for them. Last > experience with http://www.nets.si clearly shows that. > > Aida actually had templating, but we switched off it. Now the templating > is kind of supported by embedding the html code directly into methods. > This can maybe be even better than traditional templating in HTML files > because of version control, but on the other hand it is not handy for > web designers. > > Any thoughts about that subject? What is your experience with web > designers? > > Janko > > > -- > Janko Mivšek > AIDA/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > _______________________________________________ > Aida mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida > _______________________________________________ Aida mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida |
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Hi Lorenzo,
Lorenzo Schiavina wrote: > I will be in Tarvisio in August; do you think we can meet personally ? With pleasure! More in private mail. Best regards Janko > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janko Mivšek" <[hidden email]> > To: "Aida/Web general discussion list" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:42 PM > Subject: [aida] Web designers and Aida > > >> Dear Aiders, >> >> I'm following an interesting debate here: >> http://www.nabble.com/thoughts-on-Seaside-3.0-td18448440.html >> >> This post is really interesting to read, because author argues that we >> Smalltalkers have an ignorance of the design side of web development. >> >> Namely, web designers have a different way of working, which goes well >> with templating, less well with component based development as we are >> doing. I actually agree with him here, I also have that kind of >> experience with web developers. Also, CSS separation of content and >> design is more the theory than established practice for them. Last >> experience with http://www.nets.si clearly shows that. >> >> Aida actually had templating, but we switched off it. Now the templating >> is kind of supported by embedding the html code directly into methods. >> This can maybe be even better than traditional templating in HTML files >> because of version control, but on the other hand it is not handy for >> web designers. >> >> Any thoughts about that subject? What is your experience with web >> designers? >> >> Janko >> >> >> -- >> Janko Mivšek >> AIDA/Web >> Smalltalk Web Application Server >> http://www.aidaweb.si >> _______________________________________________ >> Aida mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aida mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si _______________________________________________ Aida mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida |
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