Welcome to newcomers

Hi guys

Since there are regularly new comers, here is a little ad-hoc welcome message :).

First: Welcome! welcome and welcome

Second: our goal is to create an ecosystem around pharo: if you need material to teach, if you have idea or needs for business or anything else just let us know. Our goal is to be able to reinvent our system and at the same time make sure that we can all create wealth at all levels.

Third: we are working hard to get our vision: a nice, little and powerful reflective system.
If you want to understand what we are doing please read the document Pharo vision on
http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consortium
You will understand our current effort.

Four: you can get an impact on Pharo :)
There are a lot of different ways to contribute.
        - feedback
        - bugs idea for enhancements see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list
        - book participation (we are working on deep into pharo http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe2/
        - translation
        - adding comments
        - building great stuff
        - using packages….

So welcome.

Stef

PS: Pharo is not the end, Pharo is the mean to create a powerful clean, lean system with
a great community.

On 27 September 2012 10:24, Peter K.H. Gragert <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hallo,
> nice, that you recognize newbies as me ;-)
>
> Several questions I have:
> I have meanwhile Pharo 1.4 (squeak, etoys, scratch) and NBCog on my PC
> and an image which runs with squeak from
> http://www.preeminent.org/squeak/tut2007/html/
> NBCog show too the Pharo-tower, question is it really Pharo?
> As a friend says NBCog is several times 'faster' then ..., reason for trying
> NBCog (too).
> Question, in NBCog, importing the Laser-Game code I get messages
> like Deprecated:  Form subclass: #FormStub
>     instanceVariableNames: 'locator'
>     classVariableNames: ''
>     poolDictionaries: ''
>     category: 'Graphics-Display Objects''Deprecated14'
>
> What should "Graphics-Display Objects" be, where is it replaced?
> And I miss TextStyle.
>

NBCog is just a slightly modified Cog VM.
Basicaly it is a Cog VM + NativeBoost plugin.
The "faster" part comes from Cog , which has JIT.
Second, VM is not an image, so saying that something deprecated in
NBCog is incorrect,
because it is deprecated in image you using, and VM is completely
ignorant about such things.

> Greetings
>       Peter
>
>
> 2012/9/27 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Since there are regularly new comers, here is a little ad-hoc welcome
>> message :).
>>
>> First: Welcome! welcome and welcome
>>
>> Second: our goal is to create an ecosystem around pharo: if you need
>> material to teach, if you have idea or needs for business or anything else
>> just let us know. Our goal is to be able to reinvent our system and at the
>> same time make sure that we can all create wealth at all levels.
>>
>> Third: we are working hard to get our vision: a nice, little and powerful
>> reflective system.
>> If you want to understand what we are doing please read the document Pharo
>> vision on
>> http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consortium
>> You will understand our current effort.
>>
>> Four: you can get an impact on Pharo :)
>> There are a lot of different ways to contribute.
>>         - feedback
>>         - bugs idea for enhancements see
>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list
>>         - book participation (we are working on deep into pharo
>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe2/
>>         - translation
>>         - adding comments
>>         - building great stuff
>>         - using packages….
>>
>> So welcome.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> PS: Pharo is not the end, Pharo is the mean to create a powerful clean,
>> lean system with
>> a great community.
>
>

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

Peter,

On 27 Sep 2012, at 10:24, Peter K.H. Gragert <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have meanwhile Pharo 1.4 (squeak, etoys, scratch) and NBCog on my PC
> and an image which runs with squeak from http://www.preeminent.org/squeak/tut2007/html/
> NBCog show too the Pharo-tower, question is it really Pharo?
> As a friend says NBCog is several times 'faster' then ..., reason for trying NBCog (too).
> Question, in NBCog, importing the Laser-Game code I get messages
> like Deprecated:  Form subclass: #FormStub
>     instanceVariableNames: 'locator'
>     classVariableNames: ''
>     poolDictionaries: ''
>     category: 'Graphics-Display Objects''Deprecated14'

The 'fast' bit has nothing to do with NBCog but everything to do with Cog itself, yes this is confusing. The NB part is really advanved stuff currently under development.

Just download the One-Click for Pharo 1.4 and you'll get the fast Cog (i.e. JIT) VM for free.

Now, and this can be very confusing for beginners, Pharo Smalltalk is not the same thing as Squeak, it is evolving much faster, possibly at the cost of backward compatibility. Running older code on top of Pharo will not always work and possibly raise Deprecation warnings. In particular, etoys or scratch won't just work, even just discussing everything involved is above beginner level.

That being said, hundreds of externals packages do just work.

What is it that want to do ?

Sven

--
Sven Van Caekenberghe
http://stfx.eu
Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Stef-

Thanks for the welcome and for all the work you and others have done to make Pharo available.

I just started using it this week.  The documentation is very good and I'm enjoying SmallTalk programming but one very important and basic thing I haven't been able to find anywhere is:  How do I deploy an app to users?  I can send them the one-click image with my code in it, but I really don't want to tell the users that they have to open a workspace and type

LOGame new openInWorld
command-d

to start the app.  How do I set the image to run that when the .app or .sh is run?

It seems to me instructions for this should be linked to from the Documentation section on the pharo-project.org home page so new developers can get their apps out to users quickly.

Thanks.

   -Ginny



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Subject: [Pharo-users] Welcome to newcomers
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:22:51 +0200

Hi guys

Since there are regularly new comers, here is a little ad-hoc welcome message :).

First: Welcome! welcome and welcome

Second: our goal is to create an ecosystem around pharo: if you need material to teach, if you have idea or needs for business or anything else just let us know. Our goal is to be able to reinvent our system and at the same time make sure that we can all create wealth at all levels.

Third: we are working hard to get our vision: a nice, little and powerful reflective system.
If you want to understand what we are doing please read the document Pharo vision on
http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consortium
You will understand our current effort.

Four: you can get an impact on Pharo :)
There are a lot of different ways to contribute.
        - feedback
        - bugs idea for enhancements see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list
        - book participation (we are working on deep into pharo http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe2/
        - translation
        - adding comments
        - building great stuff
        - using packages….

So welcome.

Stef

PS: Pharo is not the end, Pharo is the mean to create a powerful clean, lean system with
a great community.