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Stephan Eggermont-3

What is switch universe in Bloc?

I took a look at the latest Brick, and did 'switch universe' before
opening the Brick examples. Resizing the Pharo window resulted in a
black screen. If I first create a Bloc world, resizing works.
(Ubuntu 15.04)

Stephan

Aliaksei Syrel

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?

I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.

P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have [hidden email]

On Nov 5, 2015 1:30 PM, "Stephan Eggermont" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I took a look at the latest Brick, and did 'switch universe' before opening the Brick examples. Resizing the Pharo window resulted in a black screen. If I first create a Bloc world, resizing works.
(Ubuntu 15.04)

Stephan

Damien Pollet

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

On 5 November 2015 at 13:54, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:

P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have [hidden email]

Where is this list hosted ? how can we register ?

Damien Pollet
type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

In reply to this post by Aliaksei Syrel

On 05-11-15 13:54, Aliaksei Syrel wrote:
> Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?

Switch universe. Anything with OSWindow doesn't work at all,
just makes the window unresponsive

Stephan

Marcus Denker-4

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

In reply to this post by Aliaksei Syrel

On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi
Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have [hidden email]

But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.

Marcus

Aliaksei Syrel

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

I took a look at the latest Brick, and did 'switch universe' before opening the Brick examples. Resizing the Pharo window resulted in a black screen. If I first create a Bloc world, resizing works.
(Ubuntu 15.04)

I checked Brick on Linux and it works + Bloc in OSWindow works perfectly too: Inline image 1

Here is my environment:

$ uname -a
Linux hata 3.14.0-4-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 9 21:11:25 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux

$ whereis pharo
pharo: /usr/bin/pharo

$ pharo --version
3.9-7 #1 Thu Nov 5 00:34:36 CET 2015 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM]
NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid: 4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Nov 5 2015
NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid: 4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Nov 5 2015
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: 28d077d8df494ce050ca42c97c892471e8b8740c Date: 2015-10-16 12:02:43 +0200 By: Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> Jenkins build #15014

Linux pharo-linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:39:45 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
plugin path: /usr/share/pharo-vm/ [default: /usr/share/pharo-vm/]

I installed SDL2 package

$ sdl2-config --version
2.0.3

Downloaded pharo image:

Pharo5.0
Latest update: #50420

Make sure to follow the following Guide on Pharo.org for 64bit Linux if it is the case.

http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation#64-bit-System-Setup

In case you will not manage to make it run, send an email :)

Cheers,

Alex

Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

On 05-11-15 16:25, Aliaksei Syrel wrote:
> $ pharo --version
>> 3.9-7 #1 Thu Nov 5 00:34:36 CET 2015 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM]

It looks like I have an old version

/usr/bin/pharo-vm-x --version
3.9-7 #1 Sat Feb 14 16:10:09 UTC 2015 gcc 4.9.1 [Production ITHB VM]
NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid:
4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Feb 14 2015
NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.21 uuid:
4d9b9bdf-2dfa-4c0b-99eb-5b110dadc697 Feb 14 2015
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit:
447f247306f31b843ecce66cabf82bc6f6c42103 Date: 2014-11-29 09:42:26 +0100
By: Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> Jenkins build #14881
Linux lgw01-08 3.13.0-45-generic #74-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 13 19:36:28 UTC
2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
plugin path: /usr/lib/pharo-vm/ [default: /usr/lib/pharo-vm/]

Interesting to see such an old gcc version used with current production
(2012-3-1 released)

Stephan

Aliaksei Syrel

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

In reply to this post by Marcus Denker-4

Hi Marcus

How much effort would it take to make Bloc list public?

Cheers

On Nov 5, 2015 3:22 PM, "Marcus Denker" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi
Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have [hidden email]

But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.

Marcus

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

Why does it need a separate list ?

If Bloc is/will become a fundamental part of Pharo it belongs to the general dev list.

> On 06 Nov 2015, at 11:07, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcus
>
> How much effort would it take to make Bloc list public?
>
> Cheers
>
> On Nov 5, 2015 3:22 PM, "Marcus Denker" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
>>
>> I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
>>
>> P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have [hidden email]
>>
> But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.
>
> Marcus

Torsten Bergmann

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

"Sven Van Caekenberghe"
>Why does it need a separate list ?
>
>If Bloc is/will become a fundamental part of Pharo it belongs to the general dev list.

+1000

Aliaksei Syrel

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

In reply to this post by Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

:) Bloc is in rapid development. Api/logic changes dramatically, not all concepts still clear and Pharo dev list creates to many noise about Bloc. People will start thinking that it is done and will start using it. Then they will ask noob questions or point to something that does not work/not implemented and we know that it is not implemented. Then they may complain about lack of documentation and no examples and in the end they will end up with not the best impression of Bloc and will likely not accept it when it is done. Also it is always complicated to change/remove something that is in use.

Pharo dev list is for "open-beta testing". Bloc list for "close testing".
Having in a loop 10 people easier than 100-1000.

Complains are acceptable ;)

On Nov 6, 2015 11:15 AM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Why does it need a separate list ?

If Bloc is/will become a fundamental part of Pharo it belongs to the general dev list.

> On 06 Nov 2015, at 11:07, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcus
>
> How much effort would it take to make Bloc list public?
>
> Cheers
>
> On Nov 5, 2015 3:22 PM, "Marcus Denker" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 05 Nov 2015, at 09:54, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Did you choose "Switch universe" or "Switch universe [OSWindow]"?
>>
>> I don't know about Linux but latest version of Brick with latest vm is stable and confirmed to work on windows and Mac.
>>
>> P.S. For Bloc related stuff we have [hidden email]
>>
> But this is a mailingst that is manually managed, if this is supposed to be public we need to move to to Mailman.
>
> Marcus

Marcus Denker-4

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

On 06 Nov 2015, at 07:31, Aliaksei Syrel <[hidden email]> wrote:

:) Bloc is in rapid development. Api/logic changes dramatically, not all concepts still clear and Pharo dev list creates to many noise about Bloc. People will start thinking that it is done and will start using it. Then they will ask noob questions or point to something that does not work/not implemented and we know that it is not implemented. Then they may complain about lack of documentation and no examples and in the end they will end up with not the best impression of Bloc and will likely not accept it when it is done. Also it is always complicated to change/remove something that is in use.
Pharo dev list is for "open-beta testing". Bloc list for "close testing".
Having in a loop 10 people easier than 100-1000.

But now that you told everyone to subscribe to the list (which means I will set up a real mailing list),

there will be 100 people on it within a day.

Marcus

kilon.alios

Re: What is switch universe in Bloc?

In reply to this post by Aliaksei Syrel

"Then they may complain about lack of documentation and no examples and in the end they will end up with not the best impression of Bloc and will likely not accept it when it is done"

Are we talking about the same Bloc here , because the last time I checked it contained like "1000" examples. I dont think I ever seen 1/10th of examples that Bloc provides in any other Pharo Library/ tool.

Bloc is an example by itself to be followed not complain about. Sure its still WIP , most of us are aware of it and almost ( ? ) none of us use it in production anyway.

And since this is suppose to be the replacement of Morphic maybe having people using it will increase the amount of people contributing into it ? Just saying.

For my custom GUI project I chose Morphic, which is what I recommend as the best GUI option inside Pharo. But I close an eye to Bloc and hope for the best ;)